In a message dated 12/29/2004 5:03:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What we know from this passage is that
God the Father loved Yeshua before the foundation of the world.


All I care to say at this point, David is this:   I understand everthing spoken in John 17 to be the words of a Son to His Father.   I believe that is established in v 1 and is continued in 11, 21, 24,25    and I think it not unreasonable to assume this relationship throughout Christ's prayer.  

Secondly, because of this very disagreement/debate,  I have concluded that everywhere in the Gospels, in Paul, Peter and John,   the words "Jesus Christ" are equivilient   --   in the mind of these authors   -----    to "Son of God."   .In other words, in the future, I will read and teach that you can substitute "Son of God" for "Jesus Christ."  

The first point is foundational, for me.   The second is new. 

John

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