On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:44:55 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And where in Heb 12:9 does it speak of angels?    The side bar for this verse is "our spirits."   
 
jt: John are you one of the ones who claimed we humans are merely minds with a body,
(or body and soul only)?  Moses knew God was the Father of spirits and so did Aaron
[See Numbers 16:22; 27:16] and He is the God of the spirits of the Prophets [Rev 22:6]
 
Not written in stone, I know, but much more likely than the other understanding. 
None of it is absolute.   John
 
jt: It's absolute so far as God is concerned - The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of
prophecy [Revelation 19:10].
 
In a message dated 1/3/2005 3:33:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy gave us the passage:  Heb. 12:9.

The case is much more than surmise and conjecture.  It is an absolute proof
given the accepted premises.  If we define the word "father" to mean someone
who is the originator of something, and we call Yahweh the father because he
is the originator of all things, then Yahweh becomes the father at the point
in time when he begins to originate (create).



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