In a message dated 1/9/2005 3:05:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:38:04 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So be it  !!!!   How can I conclude that Dave Hansen is not a brother ( in the grandest sense of that word)
when this confession is so?    The only rebuttal, as I see it, is to effectively argue that "brotherhood" is based
upon doctrinal agreement that finds him no longer a Mormon but allows me to continue as a Pentecostal and
and Kay as a Messianic and Bill as a Bricklayin Fool For Christ and Jonathan/Lance as Canadian Mega Liberals !!
 
jt: The Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of mankind is a concept that comes from Freemasonry John. It is
not the doctrine "once delivered to the saints" upon which the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ stands.  


The Fatherhood of God is clearly taught in scripture.   The "brotherhood of man"  has nothing to do with my post.



Dave will never agree with us "protestants,"  nor will any of us convert to Mormonism.   Nor will I ever be whatever Judy
is  (I truly do not know her denominational tie) or a Baptist as is BillyT.  

jt: I'm a follower of Christ John. I don't promote any denomination.


Great.  Neither do I.   I fact,  I just pretend they are not there when it comes ot determining fellowship in Christ.   If one names the Name, makes the kind of confession admitted to by David H and myself,   a brotherhood of believers is the result.   

 
But the fact embraced in the above "confession" binds us together in a way that cannot be destroyed.  Why so 
  ------------   because we are
only passively involved in this reconciliation that names Christ as the Author and Finisher.  
Joseph Smith is not that  --   neither is Charles Finney,  the Pope,  Calvin, Luther and the like. 

jt: Why do you say "passively involved" John? I'm not passive.


Neither am I .   But activity does not establish the reconcilation between God and man  --   only Christ can and did accomplish this for us.  His death is once and for all time  --   as you well know  -   thus, eliminating the need for us to cause this reconciliation.   Salvation is a gift.   That is what I mean by passivity.   The love of God, our deep appreciation for this gift, the influence of the Spirit and so much more causes us to respond.  We don't respond to solve theproblem,   We respond because the problem has been solved by someone other than ourselves. 


In fact I fear being lukewarm because Jesus said


he would spew that kind out of his mouth.  I don't believe we need to be just like anyone else but we should all be
saying the same thing.....about the one we serve that is.
 
judyt




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