Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons are not Christians; formerly "Mormon Related #2"

[Dave Hansen]

Charles Perry Locke wrote:    I'll bet you are surprised that I responded to this email :-). Kevin is much more qualified than I to answer your question, but I thought that I would just recall some rather detailed posts I made some  months, maybe a year, back. Many of our current members have probably joined since those posts. The short answer Hi, DaveH. DAVEH:   How does your answer pertain to my below question, Perry??? Charles Perry Locke wrote:   It does not matter how Christian is defined at this point in the conversation.. DAVEH:  Sure it does, Perry.  I asked the question to somebody else, and you jumped into the middle of the discussion to change the nature of the discussion.  Another respondent answered the question, but I have yet to hear your or Kevin's definition for Christian.  It seems you just want to denigrate my religion....is that correct?  I also suppose that means that you will not answer my question in order that we can carry on an intelligent exchange regarding the definition of Christian....is that also correct? .what matters is that before one can become a Christian, one must know the Christ and God of the Bible, DAVEH:  From what other's have previously said on TT, Perry.......I've been led to understand that Rom 2 has made that not quite necessary.  Am I in error on that? not the false christ or god of Morminism.   I see in Kay's response the naïveté of not knowing Mormon beliefs. Kay is basically right in her statement that those who follow Christ are Christians...she just does not realize that the jesus Smithism teaches is not the Jesus described in the Bible, DAVEH:  OK.......Does that mean that those who believe the Bible (Rom 2) does not allow for salvation of those who do not have the chance to learn of Jesus while in this life?  That was my previous assumption, but some (if I remember correctly, it was either you or Kevin or maybe another TTer) who told me Rom 2 covered those who did not have a chance to hear the gospel (let alone the name of Jesus) while in mortality.  So now I'm not sure what the prevailing Protestant thought on this is....Would some other TTers care to weigh in on this, please? and the god Smithism teaches is not the same God described in the Bible. Once she comes to a knowledge of that, she will certainly see that the LDS worship a false god and false christ, and therefore cannot be Christians. DAVEH:  As you know Perry, I'm sorry you feel this way......and respectfully disagree with you on that.   :-(   We all also must come to understand that two dictionaries are needed to interpret between LDS word usage and Christian word usage. DAVEH:  I've always tried to make that clear when chatting with TTers.  That's why I've asked Kevin and you to define what you mean by Christian.  As of yet, neither of you have honored us with your perspective.  Do you want to have a conversation, Perry....or, do you just want to trash my faith? LDS have redefined words with traditional Christian denotations to mean something different in the LDS argot. Like Judy points out with understanding of the  Godhead and the Trinity. You see, to a Christian, the Trinity IS the Godhead. To a Mormon, the godhead consists of two gods and a spirit; DAVEH:   That's how I read the Bible to explain it.  I view the T-Doctrine as influencing the Protestant perspective, which to me seems in contrast to the Biblical view. a false jesus, a false god, and the spirit of the false god. DAVEH:  Thank you bringing up those concerns.  Do you want to discuss whether or not you've accurately portrayed my beliefs, or do you just want to pass judgment without further discussion, Perry? Same word, two different meanings. Many words are this way, so all should be wary when a Mormon speaks. DAVEH:  OK Perry.....You've warned everybody (again).....Now will you please define Christian for us so that we can see how you want to exclude Mormons from being eligible. Perry is that the LDS worship a different jesus and different god than those decribed in the Bible. That excludes them from being Christian. Perry Kevin Deegan wrote: Mormons are generally nice people SADLY anyone that follows official Mormon Doctrine could not possibly be a CHRISTIAN DAVEH:  Not only do I respectfully disagree with you on that, Kevin, but I am sad that you feel that way.    :-(    However, perhaps you define Christian differently than I do.  How do you define it so that it excludes LDS folks, Kevin? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.