Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

[Judy Taylor]

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Well Kay, as you say we see things very differently because I can read Hebrews 11 which is the faith Chapter and find all of the Patriarchs in it including Moses ie "By faith Moses when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharoah's daughter choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season, esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king, for he endured as seeing him who is invisible. Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of glood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned..."  Let me just say that faith works by love (Gal 5:6) and as Jesus said "If we love Him we will obey Him (or do what he says)"  jht

 

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:18:53 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

They didn't exercise their faith by keeping the law. They exercised their LOVE for God and their obedience to Him by obeying the law.

Christ Himself obeyed the law.

 

Kay 

 

 

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:15:27 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

They weren't saved by obeying the Mosaic law, Judy. They were saved by FAITH. The same way as us....FAITH. No one was EVER saved by obeying the law, nor will anyone ever BE. The law is simply God's rules for His people...or those who claim to be His people...on how they should live a Holy life. See.....Hey, Judy, now that you're in my family, these are the rules of the house...this is how my children behave and do not behave. Do not lie, do not steal, do not commit adultery, don't sleep with animals, don't eat this, do eat that, worship Me in this way, not that way.  Very simple, right?  Kay

 

Hi Kay,

I wasn't saying they were saved by obedience to the Law Kay; what I said below is that they obeyed the law BY FAITH.  Note: They exercised their FAITH by keeping the Mosaic Law.  Do you see obedience to Christ as today's equivalent?  judyt

 

 

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:40:56 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

JD: We are saved by grace throught faith apart from our working of the Law.   Our/His faith is reckoned as if it were personal righteousness -- and we are saved, in part, because of that consideration on the part of God. Few - many?   Well, I believe scripture, Linda. A whole bunch of people will be saved via the gracious consideration of the Lord. A whole bunch more will be lost, choosing to serve the created rather than the Creator. 

I like what you've said. Very nice. Sadly, some people will say that the saints in the Older Testament exercised their faith by keeping the Mosaic Law while we [the Renewed Covenant saints] exercise ours by obedience to Christ... as if they looked forward to Yeshua's sacrifice while we look back.  -- slade  

 

No cause for sadness Slade - they and we should be rejoicing.

Isn't He (Messiah) the Promise given to Abraham?  Wasn't the Mosaic system a type/shadow of things to come?

 

Didn't Jesus tell the Jews "Your Father Abraham rejoiced to see my day and he saw it and was glad? (John 8:56)

 

...and "Many prophets and righteous men desired to see those things you see and have not seen them and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them (Matt 13:17).

 

...and from the "faith" chapter "These all died in faith, not having received the promises but having seen them afar off and were persuaded of them and embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth" (Heb 11:13)

 

"But now they desire a better county that is, an heavenly wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God for he hath prepared for them a city" (Heb 11:16)

 

"Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you. Searching what or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow." (1 Peter 1:10-12)

 

So what's the problem??  judyt