Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

[Kevin Deegan]

Dave must adhere to "all the good" and choose the right, else he is not a True Mormon

"Hve the Presbyterians ANY truth? Yes Have the Baptists, Methodists, etc. ANY truth? Yes. They all have a LITTLE truth mixed with ERROR. We should gather ALL THE GOOD and true principles in the world and treasure them up, or we shall not come out true Mormons"
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p.316

Dave has testified that he follows the Prophet

At Gen conf LDS put their arm to the square and "consent" to the prophet.

http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/26

And all things shall be done by common consent in the church, by much prayer and faith, for all things you shall receive by faith. Amen.

Dave is not a spokesman for the church

"General Authorities today have the responsibility and priviledge to be SPOKESMEN" Teachings of the Living prophets 

 

Since Dave claims to be part of the Mormon Church he must follow the principles below as to the prophet

Section 3-5 "The Living prophet Alone may speak Authoratatively to and for the Whole Church"

"HE IS GOD'S SOLE MOUTHPIECE ON EARTH"

"He ALONE may declare the mind and will of God" So when any other person irrespective of who he is, undertakes to do any of these things, you may know that he is not 'moved upon by the Holy Ghost'"

Teachings of the Living Prophets

 

 

KAY WRITES: Why is that others know his beliefs more than he
> does? Why is it that others know Messianic beliefs better than we do? I
> think the information get misconstrued, twisted, and turned. I still see a
> problem, though. For instance...this is evil, that is evil....coming from
> someone who doesn't know anything about it. How can you form an opinion of
> something which you have no clue about, that you've never even looked into
> for yourself, that you have absolutely no understanding of, but are
> unwilling to GET any understanding?

 

Question, why is it that Mr Mouw believes he knows more about Mormonsm than many men who have spent a large part of their lives studying and witnessing to Mormons? 

Well it just so happens that Mr. Mouw has NO LDS experience except for his friend Stephen Robinson. That is why MANY Evangelicals have said Mouw is the one bearing False Witness.

 

I am talking about OFFICIAL LDS beliefs maybe you prefer to talk Daves beliefs, that is fine, I prefer to label those as daveISM and the others as Mormonism. According to OFFICIAL statements Dave has NO RIGHT to define Mormonism.

 

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"What if the small-minded, boxed-in formulas of modern religion weren't the
Truth?" (previously owned prose)


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From: "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: January 16, 2005 10:19
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?


> I especially likes these two portions:
>
> "We have not been afraid to argue strenuously with each other, but our
> arguments have been conducted in a sincere desire genuinely to understand
> each other-and in the process we have formed some deep bonds of
friendship."
>
> Something lacking on TT. I don't think there is a "sincere desire to
> genuinely understand each other" here. I think instead there is a sincere
> desire here to control others' beliefs and tell them how wrong they are.
> This is what I have meant when I have said if it's not a salvation issue,
> then it's a non-issue with me.
>
>
> "I know that I have learned much in this continuing dialogue, and I am now
> convinced that we evangelicals have often seriously misrepresented the
> beliefs and practices of the Mormon community. Indeed, let me state it
> bluntly to the LDS folks here this evening: we have sinned against you.
The
> God of the Scriptures makes it clear that it is a terrible thing to bear
> false witness against our neighbors, and we have been guilty of that sort
of
> transgression in things we have said about you. We have told you what you
> believe without making a sincere effort first of all to ask you what you
> believe."
>
>
> My thinking exactly...which is why I ask Dave H. what he believes...not
what
> others claim he believes. Why is that others know his beliefs more than he
> does? Why is it that others know Messianic beliefs better than we do? I
> think the information get misconstrued, twisted, and turned. I still see a
> problem, though. For instance...this is evil, that is evil....coming from
> someone who doesn't know anything about it. How can you form an opinion of
> something which you have no clue about, that you've never even looked into
> for yourself, that you have absolutely no understanding of, but are
> unwilling to GET any understanding?
>
> The "you" above is not directed at YOU, Blaine, but all of US.
>
> Thank you for posting the article.
>
> Kay
>
>
>
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, 16 January, 2005 10.04
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
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>
>
> For you on TT who might have an evangelical bent, the following might be
of
> interest. I did not copy the speech itself, given in the Salt Lake City
> Tabernacle on January 14, 2005, which can be found on
>
> http://www.beliefnet.com/story/156/story_15656_1.html
>
> in case you are interested. It has stirred quite a fuss among other
> evangelicals
>
>
>
>
> 'We Have Sinned Against You'
> A leading evangelical speaks at the Mormon Tabernacle and says
evangelicals
> have spread lies about LDS beliefs.
>
> By Richard Mouw
>
>
>
> For the first time in 105 years, non-Mormons mounted the pulpit at the
> Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake City on Nov. 14. The event, dubbed an
> "Evening of Friendship," was organized by Standing Together, a network of
> 100 evangelical churches trying to improve relations with members of The
> Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Historical animosity dating
> back to the founding of the LDS Church has heightened in recent years
> between the two groups, particularly in the 1990s, when high-profile
> evangelical leaders said that Mormons are not Christians and the Southern
> Baptist Convention held one of its annual meetings in Salt Lake City,
> partially with the goal of converting Mormons to evangelical
Protestantism.
>
> In what the Deseret News referred to as "stunningly candid" comments,
Fuller
> Theological Seminary president and Beliefnet columnist Richard J. Mouw
> apologized to Mormons for evangelicals' tendency to distort the truth
about
> Latter-day Saints' beliefs. "Let me state it clearly. We evangelicals have
> sinned against you," Mouw said. The speech is making the rounds among
> surprised and generally pleased evangelical and Mormon groups. We reprint
> the remarks below.
>
>
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> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
know
> how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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