----- Original Message -----
Sent: January 18, 2005 01:57
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of
Mormon Please
DAVEH: Kevin......It is difficult
for me to follow all you've been posting today. Do you really want to
have a discussion, or are you just posting a bunch of stuff for the fun of
it?
As I see it, you want to discuss LDS related
things with me from the nature (in general) of your questions. You've
got a few question marks and lots of statements, some of which blend into
other stuff posted by Blaine, Slade, Perry and me, as far as I can see.
In short....I have a lot of trouble keeping up with you.
Furthermore, you seem to just ignore the questions
already on the board. I asked you a few days ago about whether or not
you think Jesus has a physical body of flesh and bone today, yet I
haven't seen your answer on that yet. Since it pertains to some of what
you posted below, it seems prudent that we get that question out of the way
before we try to proceed to some of these others.....don't you
agree?
As you probably know...I believe Jesus
currently is a God and possesses a spirit body clothed with a physical body of
flesh and bone. What do you believe about it,
Kevin???
Once you answer that, then can you ask me
just one or two questions with which we can stay on track? I think that
will lead to a more meaningful discussion....IF that is your intent. If
instead, you wish to just berate my beliefs....then continuing with this wild
assortment of accusations will not benefit either of
us.
The other day, you gave me your definition of
Christian, and I thought that might be an indicator that we could have some
meaningful exchanges in the future. I hope that is your goal
too....but I'm not too sure. So....Where do you want to go
from here, Kevin? If intend to encourage me to lurk for awhile....the
choice is
yours....
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DAVEH: Therein
is the problem, Perry. You aren't misleading me.....you are misleading others
who believe your sources are accurate
Who's misleading who?
Please provide an example of inaccuracy or one bad
source
Please provide some accurate sources.
Are the LDS Standard works accurate?
By the way Joe said:
There are three gods:
the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p 370,
372
"I have always declared God to be a distinct
personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father,
and the Holy Spirit was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three
constitute three distinct personages and THREE
GODS. Joseph Smith. Documentary History of the
Church. 6:474, June 16, 1844
There are many gods, Mormon Doctrine, p.
163.
There is a mother god, Articles of Faith,
by James Talmage, p.
443
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NO does not make me MEAN
It is the LDS Prophets who claim to speak as the "mouth of God"
Who say that DaveH is not a true Mormon.
He must sustain them or else this is his fate as per the LDS
leadership.
It is they who define Mormonism.
Dave defines
daveISM
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Kevin
Deegan wrote:
So you sustain the Prophet in all things?
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin
Deegan wrote:
He's already said he doesn't believe EVERYTHING his church may have
as doctrine.
DAVEH: ??? Are you referring to
me, Kevin? When did I say I didn't believe EVERYTHING his church
may have as doctrine? I do not recall saying that at all.
You are the second TTer to say such, and I prefer that you do not
perpetrate the myth. IF I said it, please quote where I did
so. Otherwise.....please do not attribute things I said that I
didn't.
FTR......At the moment, I can't
think of anything LDS theology teaches that I do not believe. And,
if there has been anything (LDS) in the past I've not accepted, I cannot
remember what it was. So....IF I said such....jog my memory,
Kevin. Otherwise, I would appreciate you not putting words in my
mouth. Thank you.
So he is Not a Christian
and now we find out he is not Everything a Mormon ought to
be.
I guess that puts him in Limbo
He is not Christian he is not Mormon
He pratcies
DaveISM!
DAVEH: If this is the logic
you prefer to use to win my allegiance to your way of thinking, Kevin, you
may be overestimating my IQ. As I see it, my claim to
Christianity is my faith in Jesus. While you may persuasively argue
to the contrary, I hope you will forgive me for blindly trusting
Him.
Slade
Henson wrote:
>I think what matters here is what Dave
believes. He's already said he
>doesn't believe EVERYTHING his
church may have as doctrine.
>
DAVEH: ??? Though I may have
said it, I don't recall doing so.
> Does Dave
think
>he's from some other planet? Why does he think this?
Where does it come
>from? Does he think J. Smith was a prophet?
Why or why not? Do we think he
>was a prophet? Why or why not?
Why is everyone else answering for Dave
about
>Mormonism?
>
DAVEH: Good question, Kay. I think
it is the nature of some people to
teach rather than
listen.....even when what they teach is wrong.
> Are these
people Mormons? Or quoting what someone else may have
>said
about Mormons? Someone who may be wrong or have confused something.
Why
>not ask Dave himself?
>
>
DAVEH: In many
cases, it wouldn't matter. They wouldn't believe me
anyway.
BTW......I'm still not up to par, but I can't stay
in bed any
longer as my back is aching.....so, I'll try to catch
up on some of
these
posts.
>Kay
>
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