Kevin Deegan wrote:
Because Christians are the BRIDE
Those before are called like John the Baptist the Friend of the
Bridegroom John 3:29
DAVEH: You are losing me on this, Kevin. So....are you saying that
your definition for Christian.........
Christians: Those
who worship the One true God who has REVEALED Himself through the Bible.
..........is not accurate, as it does not apply to those who worshiped
the One true God prior to those mentioned in Acts 11:26?
DAVEH:
Hmmmmm.....Is it really possible for there not to have been any
Christians prior to those mentioned in Acts 11:26.....say, not even before
Christ came into the world??? As I see it, it is no less
likely than Jesus being our Redeemer before he came into the world. If
one simply draws a quick conclusion by prooftexting one Bible passage
without looking at the big picture, one might draw the conclusion that
there were no Christians prior to vs 26. However, LDS theology
teaches that the Gospel is an eternal concept that existed before the
foundations of the world. We believe Jesus was our Saviour and
Redeemer in the pre-mortal existence, and those following him in that
realm qualified us to be Christians there....long before even Adam was
born. Now I know you probably don't want to consider that possibility,
as it was a long time ago and your memory about it (yes, I believe you
were there rooting for Jesus then as strongly as you are rooting for
him now!) is as vague as mine. So....let's step outside the realm of
the Bible for a minute, and let me take you to an earlier era where the
followers of Christ were called Christians before he was born.......
And those who did belong to the church were faithful; yea, all
those who were true believers in Christ took upon them, gladly, the
name of Christ, or Christians as they were called, because of their
belief in Christ, who should come. Alma 46:15
......That was spoken by a BoM prophet some 73 years before the birth
of our Lord, which predates his disciples mentioned in vs 26 by
approximately a hundred plus years. Yikes.....that does sound rather
ANACHRONISTIC, doesn't it! Maybe you've got a point to consider,
Kevin. Those folks in the BoM really believed Jesus would be co ming
in the future, and hence were considered to be Christians at that
time. Do you suppose there are any Bible passages that suggests Jesus
would be born in the future? I'd be tempted to quote some pertinent
passages, but I don't want to irritate Perry any more than I already
have by picking and choosing Scripture as evidence that my LDS biased
beliefs are supported by the Bible. Hopefully you get the point,
Kevin. FTR.......from my (LDS) perspective, those who believed in the
forthcoming Messiah (Jesus Christ), were Christians.
Even though the disciples mentioned in vs 26 (Acts 11) denotes
those to first be called Christians in the NT, it does not logically
follow that they were actually the first Christians, Kevin.
Just think of the throngs of believers who followed Jesus during his
ministry....were they not Christians as well? Furthermore, I think we
can simplify this discussion if we consider the p roper definition of
Christian.....and we've discussed that a bit, eh! For the sake of
simplicity, let's use your definition, Kevin......
Christians: Those
who worship the One true God who has REVEALED Himself through the Bible.
..............Now Kevin, were the disciples in vs 26 the first
to worship the One true God? I don't believe
so, and I suspect you don't either. Did any of Jesus' followers
through the early part of his ministry do such ( worship the
One true God)? If so, why cannot they also be considered to
be Christians, even if the term was not Biblically used to denote them
as such?
Moving on to the original question you posed below as to whether or
not I believed Abraham was a Christian.....Let's apply the same
standard. Do you think Abraham worshiped the
One true God? According to LDS theology, he did....hence my
answer in the affirmative. I can't speak for your side of the fence
though , so what do you think, Kevin......Did Abraham worship
the One true God who has REVEALED Himself through the Bible?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
I was just curious, since the BOM has so many ANACHRONISTIC
errors about Christ in it.
NO, how could they be Christians before Christ came into the
world?
Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in
Antioch.
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: DAVEH:
>From my LDS perspective, I would say so.
How do you see it, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
>DaveH
>
>Question was Abraham a Christian?
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