[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/29/2005 6:00:40 PM
Pacific Standard Time, Knpraise writes:
In
a message dated 1/28/2005 12:18:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As far as John goes, if he wants to question the orthodoxy of the fall,
I say let him do so. Who is Adam but the old man? When Christ died, we
died with him -- and the old man died, too. The debt of the old is
paid by the New. Thank you Jesus! If John persuades me that the church
has been wrong in regards to the fall, then I will stand with him in
the heterodoxy of our position and attempt to convince the Church that
it needs to repent. If not, then I view his position as tertiary to the
greater work of Christ and the Good News of his salvation. In other
words, it's not worth getting all worked up about. He's got the Spirit
to guide him; he'll come around soon enough.
Here it is in a nutshell. It seems to me that the following is the
teaching of the "fall" as it pertains to the actual event, itself.
Adam created without a sin nature and living what was
intended - heaven on earth
Adam after the sin event now with a sin nature - now
destined for a destiny elsewhere
The "line" in the above is the "sin event" or the actual "fall.
How do I accept the full equation without believing in a Plan B
theology. I have seen some explanation but nothing that does not
strike me as off the mark, somewhat.
I see Adam in scripture as having the same "fallen" nature as David
Miller. While I am writing this, it has just struck me -- if we
do not argue that the "fall" had an effect on the human nature of
Adam, I have no problem with it. There is no question that Paul uses
the sin event of Adam as shadow of sorts of the Christ event. I just
do not believe that Adam was ever created to live out his days on this
earth........... what was begun in Adam with his creation is a similar
consideration in the lives of us all. He had a nature that was open
to disobedience. Perhaps I do not see the "sin event" as a
tragedy. Rather, it was and is (us all ) that which springs from
unregenerate man. It was going to happen -- BECAUSE GOD IS NOT
FINISHED WITH US YET. Adam needed the same Author and Finisher as
we. It is not simply that we share in Adam because of sin -- rather,
we share in Adam because we are involved in the same process as he
was. Soooooooooooo, maybe I am focussing on the wrong wording to
express my concern.
Help?
JD
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If the wages of sin is death, then sin is always a tragedy.
Terry
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