Why wouldn't it? The two of you are 'of a piece'.You were probably born saying, tsk, tsk.
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Sent: February 07, 2005 10:27
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Basis of Unity

Bring forth fruit meet for repentance or the axe will be layed to the root of the tree still stands huh?... so Kevin you
can't see godly fruit in the lives of these ppl fruit that shows they have repented and you don't think that filthy talk and false religion will stand before the "refiner's fire" in the day of Jacob's trouble?  Sounds right to me.
 
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:11:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
IFF as you put it THEY are Believers. Their works speak loudly I can't hear you

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You are wrong concerning Bruce Cockburn and the Pope as THEY ARE YOUR BROTHERS IN CHRIST. IFF you are a believer then, you have no choice in this matter.
 
UNITY IN THE FAITH

The Key here is "in the faith" not outside it or by bringing the world the Flesh & the Devil in

That seems to be todays popular notion of Unity. How else can we have Unity with Pagan notions? There is a Biblical doctrine of separation, it is not popular. We are not to be yoked with unbelievers.

I care not to have Unity with Bruce Cockburn, the POPE, LDS & every false way

Walter Cradock was a Welsh Nonconformist preacher or Puritan who was decried by his enemies as a "Bold, Ignorant Fellow"
 
Here is a taste from Spugeon's Treasury of David http://grace-for-today.com/chstod.htm
 
God, as it were, keeps silence in the midst of the greatest troubles, that he may, as it were, gather the wicked into one faggot, into one bundle, that they may be destroyed together. There is a great deal of ado to "gather the saints" in this world; and truly there is some ado to gather the wicked. So God withdraws himself from his people, yet he hath a hook within their hearts, he holds them up secretly by his Spirit, that they shall not leave him; yet the world shall not see but that God hath quite left them, and all their ordinances and his gospel and everything; and there the wicked come together and insult, whereby God may come upon them at once, and destroy them, as we find ten nations in the Psalm. And so in Genesis God stirs up the nations against Abraham and his posterity, and there are ten nations that God promised to cut off before Abraham at once, the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Canaanites, etc. So God heaps them together, and burns them like stubble. Those that burn stubble have rakes, and they gather it to heaps, and then they fire it. This is the way of God's keeping silence among his people, and sitting still in the midst of their miseries, thus God gathers their enemies in heaps as stubble, that he may burn them together. Gualter (Walter) Cradock, in "Divine Drops."

Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Who is Walter Cradock? I agree that 'peace at any price' is no peace at all so division is not always a bad thing. 
 
However, we are supposed to grow out of it (that's if we are part of the real Church); contrary to what some claim we are not just sucked up into Christ because we have not refused the incarnation. The work of the ministry (including evangelists) is necessary to prepare God's ppl for works of service so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach UNITY IN THE FAITH and (UNITY) IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SON OF GOD and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
 
Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up INTO HIM who is the Head, that is Christ. From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.
 
Do you have a problem with any of  the above Kevin?  judyt
 
 
 
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:06:01 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

"It is better to have divisions than an evil uniformity." Walter Cradock


Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
 
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:04:51 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 2/5/2005 9:56:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is no strife or disunity in Christ and He is not divided

JD: On the surface, this is untrue.  
 
jt: Had you ever considered that maybe what we see 'on the surface' is not the reality?
 
But, perhaps I do not know what you mean with the phrase "no stife or disunity in Christ."  
jt: It means just what it says - the Church he is coming for will have no spot, wrinkle, or blemish; wouldn't you categorize strife and
disunity as wrinkles and blemishes?.

When can we say unity has occurred?
 
jt: When we are of one heart and one mind. When we are all say the same thing and doing what He says.

When a division occurs and assuming one believer in definitely in Christ  --  how does the onlooker tell the difference in the two opponents? 
 
jt: Eventually, as ppl grow into Christ and His love is perfected in their hearts a wolf will be exposed in spite of the sheepskin by
what is coming out of his mouth.

In I Cor 1, when ones describes as a part of the problem are in Christ?   John
 
jt: Is the above a question?  I don't get it.... 

 

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