On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:21:54 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Judy wrote >
Jesus layed aside his former glory so he was not on this earth as
God ...
And again later she says
> Jesus
did not come here as God. He layed aside his former glory and took upon
himself a body of flesh made in the likeness of men.
Judy, my friend, what does the name Emmanuel suggest to
you?
jt
responds: Emmanuel means "God with us" but the same scripture that
calls Him Emmanuel also calls Him Everlasting Father and Prince
of Peace. All true.
Ah, yes, but does it mean as you stated, that Jesus
was not here with us on earth as God? Does it mean that while he was here, he
was not God with us, Emmanuel?
jt: God is a Spirit and yes
Jesus did represent (complete and total obedience to) God the Father
while he was here (He only did and said what He first saw the Father doing
and saying) and of course they were/are One since Jesus Christ is the same
yesterday, today, and forever. However, He was never known as Jesus the
Christ before the incarnation and during the time of His earthly
ministry He had layed aside the glory he had with the Father to take
upon Himself our likeness and he was here on earth as Christ
Jesus, Messiah, Prince of Peace and Lamb of God for the sole purpose
of being slain as a sacrifice for our sin.
Judy, I've never seen such slippery language in my life. Please excuse me, but I still
do not understand your answer to my question. And so if you don't mind I'll ask
it again. The question is, was Jesus God with
us, and if so, why did you say he "did not come here
as God," and if not, why do you say he is not
Emmanuel?
jt: Have you ever heard of
"rightly dividing the Word of Truth" Bill? One can force scripture to
validate anything when they come with a strong preconceived
notion.
Jesus came here as the Son of
God and during His incarnation He said and did only what He first saw the
Father doing and saying> He said He had no power in and of Himself
and that His Father was greater than He. As for Emmanuel and God with us .. When
did I say He is not Emmanuel? Why is this a big deal?
In His
preincarnate state He was the Rock Who travelled with Israel in the wilderness,
so He has always been God with us, and still is (see 1 Cor
10:4)
What's the
problem??
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