All accounts DO NOT include two individuals!
Most accounts do not for instance the 1832 handwritten acct of Joe
I cried unto the Lord for mercy forthere was none else to whom I could go and {to} obtain mercy andthe Lord heard my cry in the wilderness and while in [the] attitude of calling upon the Lord [in the 16th* year of my age] a pillar of {fire} lightabove the brightness of the Sun at noon day come down fromabove and rested upon me and I was filld with the Spirit of God and the [Lord] opened the heavens upon me and I Saw the Lord and he Spake unto me Saying Joseph [my son] thy Sins are forgiven thee. go thy [way] walk in my Statutes and keep my commandments behold I am the Lord of glory I was crucifyed for the world that all those who believe on my name may have Eternal life [behold] the world lieth in sin {and} at this time and none doeth good no not one they have turned asside from the Gospel and keep not [my] commandments they draw near to me with their lips while their hearts are far from me and mine anger is kindling against the inhabitants of
the earth to visit them acording to this ungodliness and to bring to pass that which [hath] been spoken by the mouth of the prophets and Apostles behold and lo I come quickly as it written of me in the cloud [clothed] in the glory of my Father and my Soul was filled with love and for many days I could rejoice with great joy and the Lord was with me but could find none that would believe the hevenly vision. . . . Nevertheless I fell into transgression and sinned in many things which brought wound upon my Soul and there were many things which transpired that cannot be writen and my Fathers family have suffered many persecutions and afflictions.
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"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BLAINE: Thank you for taking time to look these up. But I see no problem here. The names Nephi and Moroni both sound a lot alike--it is likely people got the two confused when writing down what they heard Joseph say.
Also, the first vision and the angelic visit are separate events: the first vision took place in the wooded area near the Smith home, now referred to as the "Sacred Grove," when Joseph was if his fifteenth year--about 1820. All accounts of this event mention two individuals, and that they were identical in appearance.
The visit from the angel took place later, on September 21, 1823, in the Smith home, after Joseph Smith had prayed to find out his standing before God--by that time, he had related the story of the first vision to many people, and persecution, reviling and all manner of evil speaking against him had immediately arisen, mostly from ministers of the various religions, but apparently from many others as well. He states in his 1838 history that "I was led to say in my heart: why persecute me for telling the truth? I have actually seen a vision, and who am I that I can withstand God? . . . "
Click the links for scans of the documents Balaine
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
"He called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Nephi." Millennial Star, vol. 3, p. 53 (1842)
"Again, when we read the history of our beloved brother, Joseph Smith, and of the glorious ministry and message of the angel Nephi" Millennial Star, vol. 3, p. 71 (1842)
Joseph Smith - "When I first looked upon him I was afraid, but the fear soon left me. He called me by name, and said unto me, that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Nephi." 1851 Pearl of Great Price, p. 41 (1851)
Joseph Smith - "He called me by name, and said unto me, that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Nephi." Times and Seasons, vol. 3, p. 753 (1842)
Lucy Mack Smith, also said the angel's name was Nephi (Biographical Sketches, p. 79).
Thomas Bullock Journal - In a journal entry Thomas Bullock claims that the name of the messenger was Nephi.
John Whitmer Statement - This statement as recorded in Reorganized Church History acknowledges the messenger to have been Nephi.
BLAINE: Hmm, maybe you ought to print the version with NEPHI as the angel, Kevin, along with a source. I don't seem to find it in my book along with all the others. (:
Why was there NO account UNTIL 1832 and it did not even have 2 personages in it just an Angel NEPHI
Is that added information or something to be removed in a LATER version?
Technically not a contradiction just a small problem that can be excised by some revision & editing.
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Kevin wrote:
The First vision is dated 1820. I am sure you are aware of the many different versions
BLAINE: I am fully aware of the different versions. No contradictions, however, although they sometimes add information not present in other versions. Some versions are not from Joseph, but are second-hand versions as others have retold what they recall from Joseph telling them. They are all written in a 2 volume set of books called THE PAPERS OF JOSEPH SMITH, published by Deseret Book.
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