Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005
12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Authority
over nature: Guyana
Michael D: Hey Bill,
thanx for the question. This is something we discussed at length last
summer into early fall. Browsing the archives might give you a broad
picture. I recommend it to you.
Incidentally, I did not pray away the whole
Carnival, I just got it out of my area. Why would you assume that I
prayed evil into some one else's domain by praying away carnival?
If it was because of its evil that you prayed it
away from your area, why do you not feel a bit shameful for having prayed
it into another area?
Michael D: You are making
quite an erroneous assumption there, Bill. The carnival in my area was a
community affair which died. It had nothing to do with any other
area.
Did it not leave your town and pitch its tents
somewhere else? Why not pray it into bankrupcy, that it could not enter
another town? Better yet, why not pray the demons out of
those people, that you might then save them?
As a rule, people have to want deliverance
before one can administer it to them.
Why, why, why? With powers like this at your/our
disposal, why is it so satisfying just to pray it out of
town?
And are you suggesting that I should have let it
be?
No, I think it is fine to pray about such things.
I am suggesting, though, that I
see no evidence that it is you who got rid of it.
Are you saying that although it IS fine to
pray about such things, we should not expect God to answer our particular
prayer(s)? Or is that He would not answer mine, in
particular?
I also detect a suggestion that if I was able to
avert a disaster in my area and not in someone else's, that my claim of
such averting would be invalid. Am I right there?
No, just curious as to why you did not seize
the opportunity to demonstrate these phenomenal powers to your skeptics,
the pastors who were "unable to relate to it from [your] point of
view." IF you want my "joint" in the body of Christ to get this, I would
like to see you demonstrate these powers: why not stand upon your
faith and in our presence predict these things with undeniable clarity
ahead of time, and not just take credit for them once they have
happened? -- this seems fair enough to me.
I disagree with this very strongly. Jesus did
not go around trying to prove to people that He was the Son of God when
they demanded sign. Neither will I. Jesus responded to needs and
faith, and when those folks asked for a sign, He said no such sign would
be given. To Him,His Word, and the procession of situational
manifestations of his power He effected were sufficient for anyone who had
an open heart to God to know the truth of whi He was and of His
message. I do encourage you to read through old posts on 'Believers'
authority over nature', and 'The Eye of The Storm 'and judge for
yourself.
Bill
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Bill Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Michael, I have a question for you: If you
and you alone prayed away the Carnival, why didn't you and you alone
pray away the Gasparilla parade? Is there a territorial principal at
play here, something like, you can do it on your own turf but not
on another's? Please share relevant passages. I'm thinking we
don't really do much, if all we can do is pray evil into someone else's
domain. With power like this, why not eradicate it? Again, relevant
passages please.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 16,
2005 3:09 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Authority over nature: Guyana
Michael D: Very interesting indeed, Izzy. As
you said,if true, what a testimony of divine providence... Thank
God for His mercy.
Interesting to read your statement about our
not having rights, here. While that may be true, sometimes we hae to
resist the bully (enemy) from throwing us off course, or trying to
overthrow the will of god in our lives and even in our communities.
I'll give an example: Many years ago, after returning home to TnT from
Tampa, I found myself confronted with a situation which I found very
undesirable. In our community, one of my close neighbours had begun
hosting a Carnival parade on our street while I was in the U.S. Now
Carnival here is somewhat like Mardi Gras, and seen as very
undesirable by most Christians. Well, I decided I needed to stop it. I
therefore used the believers authority of what I allow is allowed and
what I forbid is forbidden, and the practice was discontinued. Of
course, up to today, no one but I (and now TTers) would know why the
activities ceased. One thing you know I hold strongly is that we
believers have the right to determine what kinds of things prevail in
our 'garden'. I want to be able to press further and further into that
realm and to encourage others to do the same. This is by no means to
diminish what God did for those Christians, or any one else. I
remember meeting with a group of pastors (invited to attend by David
Miller). They were very concerned about the Gasparilla parade
commerating the pirates etc that coloured the history or the area. I
tried telling them that they have the authority in Christ to come
against that celebration, but they seemed unable to relate to it from
that point of view, yet they bemoaned the advent of the activities. We
have a similar problem in TnT. Believers deplore the carnival
celebrations, but don't seem able to come together in one accord and
demand that the mountain be removed.
I pray that we all really get it in the Body
of Christ.
P.S. I just found out today that the Prime
Minister of Grenada was due -last week- to visit the apostle in the
U.S. (Baltimore) whom God has been using to call the nation to
repentance. I understand that there was alot of pre-visit security
checks etc. This is very interesting indeed. God must have have gotten
something through to the PM of Grenada through the Ivan disaster. I'll
keep you folks up-to-date as I get more info.
