"Rarely does it ever say God is angry with the person. "
Your god is not the God of the BIBLE.
God does not just hate sin he Hates the "workers" (read people) of iniquity
PS 5:5 thou hatest all workers of iniquity
PS 7:11 God is angry with the wicked every day
The Bible does not say God is angry with the sinner every day
The Bible does not say God is angry with the sinner every day
God does not cast just sin but People into HELL
God rained down Fire & Brimstone on People & their sin
It was people not just sin that missed the Ark.
Also NOTICE He is Angry with them EVERY DAY!
They are making deposits every day.
RM 2 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God
"Love the sinner hate the sin" is a nice PHILOSOPHY, but it is not in the BIBLE
Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Terry:
The Bible says that God is angry with the sinner every day, and that is
true.
Caroline:
The bible says God is angry with sin and sin within people mostly. Or that
He is angry with national rebellion. Rarely does it ever say God is angry
with the person. The people Jesus was most angry with were those who ought
to know better but weren't practicing mercy and justice. He spoke about
being more righteous than the Pharisees and being holy but he never called
any of the sin-filled women he met whore. They were sisters and daughters to
him. He ate with them. He could separate their acts from their personhood.
Terry:
The Bible says that He hated Esau, and that is true.
Caroline:
And how was His hate expressed? It's neat to consider as Esau and Jacob were
twins. Esau married at least 3 women, had a large family and lived in Seir
which was their Promised Land. When Jacob returned, Esau could gather an
army to meet him which shows he had community standing. He initially refused
Jacob's gifts because he had plenty. The two brothers could not live in the
same area because they had too much men and animals. Jacob had to leave
home, work as a slave, wrestle with God. His children ends up as slaves in
Egypt, wander the desert, fight for every inch of the Promised land, live
there in anarchy and terror, suffer under bad kings, get exiled, return to
devastated land and temple, end up under Roman rule.
On Israel's way to their Promised Land, they passed by Seir and God told
Moses that this was land given to Esau by Him, that these people were their
brothers, that they can not start a war here and they had to pay for
everything they used.
When we hate someone we wish them all sorts of evil. God can't plan or do
evil because there is no darkness in Him. His hate is different from ours.
The Edomites (like lots of other nations) later came under judgment. But
Esau himself had a pretty decent life. The phrase "Jacob I loved but Esau I
hated" meant God chose Jacob's line to be the one He will actively shape
into the nation that He will step into the world through. They were forged
as steel and iron are forged. That is love. Esau was left alone like a wild
bush. That is hate.
And it was decided before they were born and could do anything to earn
either love or hate. That is destiny.
Terry:
Do you think that possibly there is a time when God feels that His love has
been rejected long enough, and His love turns to anger and then finally to
hate?
Caroline:
Sure, in Jeremiah 3, He had enough and divorced Israel. Then, a few short
verses later, He said, "Return, faithless Israel," declares the LORD, "I
will frown on you no longer, for I am merciful," decalres the LORD, "I will
not be angry forever."
We can not out love God or beat Him in faithfulness. He is more constant in
His love than either Hosea or Job.
So, ultimately, no.
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