----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 22, 2005 05:42
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and
God's Wrath
Kevin Deegan wrote: Act
1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas
by transgression fell, that he might go to his own
place.
Caroline: A
room in the mansion of our Lord?
jt: Please tell me you are joking
Caroline, or does God's Word have no integrity whatsoever in your eyes?
Caroline: I agree with JD in that sometimes people
say things in the heat of the moment that might not be all that well thought
out.
jt: Then it is apparent
that neither you or JD understand how the "inspiration of the Holy
Spirit" works in the mouths of the prophets.
Caroline: One example is Stephen in Acts 7:4 when
he said Abraham left Haran after his father's death. In Genesis, his father
was still alive when Abraham left. Perhaps Stephen mis-remembered a minor
detail. Perhaps someone taught him wrong. But give the guy a break, he was
about to be stoned!
jt: This is not an example of
anything. Abram was born in Ur of the Chaldees (Babylonia); when he
left his father Terah, his nephew Lot and wife Sarai all went with
him. They travelled toward Canaan eventually settling north of Canaan in
Haran which is in the land of Assyria (Persia today) and settled there. Terah
died in Haran after which Abram, Lot and Sarai moved on again. So
no problem Stephen is right on. Terah was alive when
they left Ur of the Chaldees and dead when they left Haran. The Holy
Spirit does not inspire error.
Caroline: Does it really matter?
jt: Of course it matters. "Let God
be true and every man a liar"
Caroline: No! if it's about a relationship with
our Triune God, who are real, alive, persons.
jt: Are you following three Gods
Caroline?
Caroline: Why did God inspire Luke to write it
that way?
jt: Because this is how it
happened and Luke was recording what the Holy Spirit brought back to his
remembrance...
Caroline: It's so easily checkable. Because our
faith is in Him, the living God who speaks. Because
Jesus is the truth, the way and the life.
jt: Are you saying that perceived
errors in scripture can be checked by someone who speaks to you
Caroline?
Caroline: Close your eyes...a Torrance reference
is coming up. Torrance wrote a book explaining carefully that some thing are
symbols and signs that point to the real thing. They are not the real thing.
They help us find and understand the real thing. A map shows us the city in a
way we can understand but it is not the city. The bible,
which I love and study, is not the Word. The Word (logos) is the Second
Person of the Trinity, Christ Jesus.
jt: The Logos (or dead letter) can
kill - It is the Spirit who gives life and the Rhema or "revealed
Word" is the Word of Christ - The Lord is that Spirit and where the
Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.
