BLAINE: Hmmm, well let's see now. How about the one regards Joseph Smith's
revelations/prophecies? You and Kevin fulfill one of them every day, as do
most street Preachers. See below:
D&C 1:16
"They seek not the Lord nor his righteousness, but every man walketh in his own
way, and after the image of his own God, WHOSE IMAAGE IS IN THE LIKENESS OF THE
WORLD,..."
Or, here's another one that has been fulfilled and is being fulfilled daily:
D&C 1:30
"And also those to whom these commandments were given, might HAVE POWER TO LAY
THE FOUNDATION OF THIS CHURCH, AND TO BRING IT FORTH OUT OF OBSCURITY..."
Initial church membership was six--currently now about 12 million, and
increasing fast--very fast--120 new temples, thousands of ward and stake
meeting houses scattered throughout the world--a world church now, not just an
American church.
This is just for starters--I could write much more on this, if you like. I
know some have limited attention spans, however. :)
-- "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine,
First, we are brothers in that we both descended from Adam, but we are
not brothers in Christ, and this is due to the fact that your jesus and god
are different than the Jesus and God of hte Bible, the ones I beleive in.
You have been duped into believing that they are the same, but the
extra-biblical LDS works and writings of the Mormon non-prophets demonstrate
otherwise. In fact, DaveH has rcently been demonstrating that fact here ion
TT by showing us how his god is so different from the God of the Bible.
Furthermore, we are not brothers based on the fact that the little 'g'
mormon god from Kolob had sex with one of his many spiritual wives and made
me and you as spiritual brothers to each other, and to jesus, and to
lucifer. That is non-biblical hogwash. You may have to give the secret
handshake and password to Joseph Smith to get into the little 'h' heaven,
but they will not be required of true believers to enter the big 'H' Heaven.
If somehow JS ends up in Heaven, I will ask him what this Momron stuff is
all about. But, if he does not, then you ask him.
It is not that you did not answer the several questions I asked...I
really expected you to dodge them. You certainly could have picked one and
answered it had you wanted to.
My main complaint about your post is that for almost 2.5 years I have
been giving justification for my beliefs about the Mormon church, and yet
you come across like I have never posted any justification at all. I
wondered if you were hoping I would blindly agree with you, or not read your
post, or if perhaps you really have not read a thing I have posted in the
last 2.5 years (and, you were on TT before I was). My guess is that you were
building the best defense you had, and that is by feigning ignorance to my
many posts and justifications.
Now, as far as my original questions...you can take them one by one in
the order I posted them and give your justification.
Perry
>From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine a Disappointment to Bro. Perry--formerly
>Hell=p hysical torture
>Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:33:08 GMT
>
>
>Blaine: Sorry I am such a disappointment to you brother Perry, but I was
>just being truthful when I declined to try answering all those issues you
>raised, mainly because I didn't know where to start. If you will take one
>issue at a time, your choice, I will discuss whatever you choose--just keep
>it simple--I have a one-track mind, for one thing, and I do have limited
>time. (:
>
>-- "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Blaine,
>
> I have repeatedly posted my justification for the things I beleive to
>be
>true regarding the Mormons. I have also repeatedly described in detail why
>the Mormon jesus and mormon god cannot be the same Jesus and God that are
>in
>the Bible. I have demonstrated the cultic nature of the Mormon temple
>ceremonies, and its obvious tie to freemasonry, another cult. And, in a
>recent post, I asked you to enumerate the prophecies of JS and how they
>have
>come true, which you dodged by saying I asked too many questions. So,
>perhaps it is you that are ignoring them! I think the burden of
>demonstrating that his prophecies came true is on you...you are the one
>stating that his prophecies "obviously are either fulfilled or in process
>of
>being fulfilled". If it so so obvious, send them in! I also have listed two
>of JS' prophecies in a recent post that I know have not come true...and
>their time for fulfilment has passed. TWO! It only takes one to make him a
>false prophet. The other 50 or so false prophecies are insurance. You
>dodged
>that, too.
>
> How can you say I give no justification or reasons? Are you asleep? Do
>you
>not read my posts? Have short term memory loss? It is certainly not
>because
>I have not justified my postion, and on several occasions.
>
>Please check the TT archives and get back to me on that, okay?
>
>Perry
>
> >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hell = Physical Torture?
> >Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:06:14 GMT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-- "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Your mind has been polluted by the heretical LDS
> >works. If you relied on his Word you would clearly see that your
> >impressions
> >of God are all wrong.
> >
> >BLAINE: I keep noticing that you do a lot of labeling, usually in
> >reference to LDS stuff, Perry. Yet I seldom if ever read any solid
> >reasoning or evidence to support your assertions. You just seem to rely
>on
> >what you have read, usually some crackpot stuff that is, like your own
> >writing, designed to ridicule, label, etc., and which seems to be rooted
>in
> >a set of commonly agreed upon assumptions that themselves have never been
> >too well defined--just asserted to be true. For instance:
> >1. You assume/assert the BoM to be fiction, but have never proven your
> >case. Neither has anyone else, for that matter.
> >2. You assert/assume that the LDS Church is a cult, but again this has
>not
> >been well enough defined to be shown to be true beyond reasonable doubt.
> >3. You assert/assume Joseph Smith was a false prophet, yet ignore his
>many
> >revelations, prophecies, etc. that obviously are either fulfilled or in
> >process of being fulfilled.
> >4. You assert/assume the Mormon concept of Jesus Christ to represent a
> >"different" Jesus, yet seem to shy away from actually delineating why
>this
> >is being assumed.
> >I suppose I could go on, but for the sake of limiting discussion, will
> >stop, waiting for your reply. I probably will not go to sites with
> >anti-Mormon literature, which you often refer me to. I feel if the
> >concepts are all that clear, you should be able to just jot them down
> >succinctly in Perry-digested form. :)
> >
> > >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > So Perry.....getting back to God....do you really think a Perfect
> > >Parent would want to eternally torture their wayward children? To
> > >me...../that /is illogical.
> > >
> >
> >No. As I said before, God would like for NONE of us to perish...you
> >intentionally cast God in a bad light, even though you have been told
> >otherwise many times before, you just do not want to accept it. You have
>to
> >make God out to be an ogre through the eyes of your "protestants" so your
> >mormon god seems bigger. It seems illogical to you because you use
> >extra-biblical and non-biblical references to try to define God instead
>of
> >relying solely on his Word. Your mind has been polluted by the heretical
> >LDS
> >works. If you relied on his Word you would clearly see that your
> >impressions
> >of God are all wrong.
> >
> >Perry
>
>
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