judyt:
Seeking first the Kof G and His righteousness and walking in both is how
we walk in the blessings rather than the curses and have all of our
earthly needs met.
JD: If you were Bill saying this, I would
agree -- but your are a legalist writing
this.
jt: I am a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ
JD. How would you like it if I began calling you a "sinner" since
you are so comfortable with the label?
JD: You have implied far
worse of me, so riding the high horse will get you nothing. A
legalist is a saved individual, or can be. I am not putting
you outside the grace of God, Judy. But I am saying that you
have no understanding of the very thing it is that saves you God's
sovereighn effort ON YOUR BEHALF. You simply do not understand
grace.
jt: I don't receive "your"
version of grace JD. However, I do understand God's grace. It
is the ability or power to do what I need to which is depart from sin and
live a godly and holy life so that I may be conformed to the image of
Christ in this life and inherit eternal life in Him.
You, therefore, believe that
God does not give you the necessities of life and greater if you are not
fully and consistently walking in His
righteousness..............................life would tell you this is not
true.
jt: What do Matthew 6:30, 31, 32 say JD? This
is the topic of their conversation. As for me. I believe that God
allows it to rain on both just and unjust. However, the unjust bring
a lot of grief upon themselves by their own choices, poverty and lack
being some of it.
God calls us to righteousness
, Judy. You are not going to put me in a position where I have to
deny this. A life of righteousness is not the issue
----- rather, why we practice righteousness and what happens
to us until we are mature in Christ. You theology allows not
time for growth -- for the move away from sin. It
has no grace.
jt: I'm not putting
you in any such position JD, your own logic or rationale does this.
I am saying that the one who is righteous doeth righteousness and he that
commits sin is of the devil (1 John 3:7); you are saying that we are
all constantly sinning and falling short of God's glory. I am saying
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in
him and he cannot sin because he is born of God." You say that you
have two natures and that you can be comfortable with sin. I am
saying "In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the
devil; whowoever DOETH not righteousness is not of God, neither he that
loveth not his brother." And this is the message that ye heard from
the beginning, that we should love one another"
This is where the lack of a
well defined hermeneutic gets in the way. A positive statement
in scripture does not allow the student to usurp an equally antithetical
but unstated principle to be true. "If we seek the kingdom of
God, His blessings will surely follow" does not mean
that if we do not seek the kingdom, no good will come our way by His
great and merciful hand.
jt: No it just means
we will be walking in ignorance, breaking his law, and wearing the
curse.
JD: apart from grace, you are
dead on -- or did I write one too many words?
jt: Grace does not
ever override the curse; God is bound to keep his own
word.
It is Paul who reveals
that our righteousness is a consideration in the mind of God and in the
place of faith. "faith reckoned as righteousness." Do you have any real
idea what that means?
It means that if we believe God�s Word and act on it the
same way Abraham did that our faith will be reckoned as righteousness just
as his Faith was.
Nonsense. God spoke of Abraham's seed as being as numerous as
the stars in the sky --- and Abraham look to the stars,
believed and that was counted as righteousness. There
was no action before the pronouncement of the accounting. Go to Gen
15: 5,6 -- read the passage for a change.
jt: When
Abraham was told to leave the country he was familiar with and go in the
unknown - he acted. When Abraham was told to kill the child of
promise, he gathered kindling and his son and headed toward Mt.
Moriah. Faith without corresponding actions is DEAD.
That's it, Judy.
Define Paul's use of Abraham by running to a completely different context
in the Old Bible. Gen 15:5,6 Judy. Don't run and
hide in a completely different context. Go to Gen 15:5,6 and
answer this question: God pronounced Abraham to be righteous
after he (Ab) did what? AND how does Paul use this fact in
Romans
4?
jt: The Old Bible and the New Testament
are all scripture JD and we interpret scripture in the light of other
scripture because understanding does not come by logic or by some
man's theological hermeneutic.
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