John wrote: > Are you going on record to say that I am > lying about the claim that Judy put my > words in quotations, and in so doing, > changed the very wording of my comment to > read"comfortable with sin. period?" Yes or no.
No. The term "lying" which you use here implies an intent to deceive. I'm not prepared to judge your heart this way, but it is becoming increasingly more difficult to believe that you are not purposely trying to be deceptive here. What I am saying is that you are bearing false witness against your sister when you assert that she is misquoting you and being dishonest. You have succeeded in deceiving Gary and probably others as well. You wrote to Judy the following: John wrote: > You, my dear, have completely rejected the gospel of grace ... Judy responded with the following: On March 28, Judy wrote: > I've not rejected anything John. I don't have > to cut any parts out of my Bible, I'm at peace > with all of it in balance and in context. However > you negate "Little children, let no man deceive you; > he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as > he is righteous" (1 John 3:7), it's not possible to be > doing/practicing righteousness and ATST comfortable > in sin. Judy is basically pointing out the logical absurdity of your position. You say that you are comfortable with the idea of a person keeping their sin and still being considered righteous. Judy rightly points out how this idea flies in the face of a passage like 1 John 3:7. She reasons that a person keeping their sin is the same as a person being in sin, and so she makes the statement in relation to your position using her own wording. She says that it is not possible to be doing/practicing [she had to throw in that word "practicing" for your sake because it seems to have special meaning to you] righteousness and at the same time be comfortable in sin. At this point, you can simply reiterate your perspective more precisely. You could say something like, "well, I agree that we cannot and should not be comfortable in sin, but I am still comfortable with the idea that a person can keep their sin and still be considered righteous." Then you could go on to explain how this is possible, although, I have no idea how you would do that. From my perspective, Judy exposed the logical absurdity of your position, and instead of recognizing it, you resorted to an ad hominem argument that goes something like: "Judy, you are misuqoting me. You are dishonest. I won't discuss this with someone who is dishonest." (Please note that I am not quoting you here, even though I use quotation marks. I am simply paraphrasing the way your argument has come across.) It is possible that guys like you and Gary simply do not understand the logic that Judy employs. It is possible that you let your emotions govern your intellect rather than logic. I don't know. All I know for certain is that your accusation that Judy misquoted you is false, and, therefore, your conclusion that she is dishonest is without merit. I know that you have resorted to ad hominem attacks against Judy, apparently to try and save face, and Gary has been deceived by your rhetoric and apparently supports your ad hominem remarks. If you want to get back on subject here, I suggest that you first recognize that Judy never quoted you as saying, "comfortable in sin," and that you then apologize to her for falsely accusing her of misquoting you. Then you can begin to explain how she has misunderstood and perhaps misrepresented your position. Start with explaining how one can be comfortable with the idea of the righteous keeping their sin and yet not be comfortable with the idea of the righteous being in sin. I truly do not know what kind of distinction you can make here. If you can do it, then you will have established that she has misunderstood and misrepresented your position. If you cannot do it, then your argument has failed and Judy's argument prevails. Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
