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On being 'smarter' (your word): No, just smarter
than you. God, in reality, comes closer to agreeing with KB on this
one.
Said by a true
Karl Barth disciple; God is the source of Jesus Words and Jesus did not
teach existentialism.
He (Jesus) is THE WORD OF GOD. If, by the by, you
are in need of a paddle, I'm sure that someone on TT could be of
assistance.
I know who Jesus is - hear His voice - and
serve Him Lance.
On 'feeling the Spirit moving in you'. This
warrants more discussion than I'm prepared to give it just now. (See an
earlier reference (yours) James 1. This for the Mormons, whom I but, not
necessarily God, believe to be anti-Christians view as a 'touchstone' (pun
intended).
KB did not
understand the work of the Holy Spirit.
I believe KB to have had an extremely high view
of Scripture as do I. So then, as to where we go from here? Well..to Him
through His Word/Words.
You say you have a 'high' view, whatever that is
Lance but your faith does not rest in the clear teaching of
God's Word and your mind is obviously not renewed by
same because your thoughts very seldom dwell there.
As for Barth - well his words speak for
themselves.
Response to my portion:'what Jesus says about
it' (to read:my particular understanding'interpretation of..) Amen by the
way as He was, is and, will
be the truth. That was Karl Barth's point in the fictitious
interview.
KB: The short answer
is not always. But it's more complicated than that. I'll get to that, but
for now let me just say that it contains quite a few errors of fact. The best that
you can say in that regard is that it is true as a
whole.
So Karl Barth is smarter than God?
He knows facts that are not in God's Word?
Stu: What are we to
do, then--- if it contains errors !?
KB: You are placing your faith in the text of the bible, printed
in a book. The book an object made of paper, ink and a cover. You want to
be careful not to worship such an object, for it's not
God. It's just a book.
This
is not just paper, ink, and a cover - It is the Word of God
about which the Psalmist wrote "I will praise thy name for thy
lovingkindness and for thy truth, for thou hast magnified thy
word above all thy name" I sure am thankful that the Jews
had better sense than Karl Barth or we would all be up the creek without a
paddle.
Stu: But that's all
we have.
KB: Not at all.
If you can feel the spirit moving in you, you have
faith in Jesus Christ.
This
is Barth's standard of faith? What if it is a spirit of anti-Christ
moving in you? True faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word
of God; How can you know what kind of spirit is moving in you apart
from the Word of God? - How do you know it is the holy
one? Being led by spirits and feelings is following after
sensuality.
Stu: I don't see the
connection.
KB: [ picking up the
bible] Listen to this, from Jesus, in John 14:26. " I will send you the
Holy Spirit, who will teach you all things and bring all things to your
remembrance whatsoever I have said said to you."
Aside from scripture Jesus has said
nothing to our generation Lance - so where do you go from here? Do
you just wait to feel some spirit moving in you? Wait for some
existential encounter?
Stu: So what's true
is not the text itself, it's the existential
encounter with the Holy Spirit, during the reading of the text,
through which God's message is transmitted to us.
Not as I like it - but what Jesus says about
it. He's either the Truth or He isn't. Sadly it
appears His Words don't carry much weight these days in some circles. As for DavH's observation - why
would you think that these are Christian
ppl Dave? Jesus told the 'sons of thunder' who wanted to call down
fire on some Samaritans that "they didn't know what spirit they were of"
so what has changed? Apparently the disciples repented
because they continued on with Him. Ppl who are eager to consign
others to hell these days most likely have an anger problem.
Sharon Rocha told Scott Peterson that the devil wouldn't even have him
and one of Laci's siblings said they hoped he would burn in hell.
So far I've seen no indication that this family are Christian - so anger
and grief over their loss is understandable. God is glorified
however, when a crime is committed against a 'believer' and they
publicly forgive; or as we saw just recently in Georgia where a
young widow apprehended by a rapist who had just killed five ppl was
able to stay calm and read passages from The Purpose Driven Life to him
because of her faith in Christ; this is the fruit of
righteousness. jt
OK, 'as you like it'.
Not so Lance, I have it on good authority
that it is out of the abundance that fills the heart that the mouth
speaks (Matt 12:34, Luke 6:45) -
Discernment 101 jt
'They' are, in reality, saying/meaning
what you've ascribed to them. Their hearts are
more gracious than their words, however.
DAVEH: My latest post is in
GREEN......
DAVEH: Not at all Izzy. I see
Christians as being eager when they use a phrase like
"I hope you burn in hell" when they disagree with the
actions or beliefs of others. While you may not have had
such feelings about non Christians, Izzy....I suspect there are
a lot of Christians who do feel that way. I quick net
search and found numerous references to such eager
Christians, Izzy. Here's an excerpt....
The
"misunderstood" ADF headline incited over 3000 hate messages to
the school, ranging from the more benign, "I hope you burn in
Hell for all eternity," to the more sinister late night calls
like, "I know where you live and you work at that God forsaken
school." We had two sheriffs full time on campus for two months,
and it scared the daylights out of our children.
.........Do you think there have been any TTers
who've hoped for such, Izzy? If so, I would
suggest they meet the eager definition.
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