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Sent: April 09, 2005 12:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 1 Corinthians
2:14 fg.
Actaully, this is a very good
translation. There are those who draw attention to themselves by
insisting that their interpretation is actually directly from the mind of
God. They pretend they are of God in a way that distinquishes them from
the larger body. Such is divisive and leads us away from the Person we
claim to serve. To put one's understanding of scripture on the same level
as those who wrote those scriptures to foster the outrageous.
Are you claiming that
Lance's translation is more accurate and written by "those who wrote the
scriptures" JD? I have a lot of different translations here but the one
he quotes is a new one on me.
Such cannot be defended by the very scriptures these
people pretend to understand. The above scripture does not teach
an "inspired translation or understanding of scripture." The key
wording, here, is " of scripture." Verse 10 of this context
makes it clear that the Apostle is talking about the Spirit's revelatory
ministry in the life of the believer apart from any other
influence. Not the preacher, not the prophet, not the pastor, not
the evangelist, not the apostle, not scripture !!! This passage
actually establishes the fact of personal realationships between God and
man. This passage is a direct assault against external
ministries: (v.16) For who has known the mind of the
Lord, that he should instruct Him? But we have the mind of God
Christ."
We have the
"mind of Christ" because of the indwelling Holy Spirit JD because "the Lord is
that Spirit" which makes Lance's slurs against DavidM arrogant and totally off the
wall. If Lance does not agree then he should challenge what DavidM
writes on the basis of scripture (which BTW is sound doctrine).
This may be what he is trying to do here - but where does he find these
weird translations?
The larger context is a
statement of the way things SHOULD BE in the life of the
Corinthians -- not the way things are with these
people. This "larger context" proclaims a situation that is NOT
THE RESULT of spiritual giftedness but of spiritual MATURITY.
That's right. Spiritual maturity. And so Paul says
(3:1) ".....brethren, I could not speak to you as to spiritual men but
as to men of the flesh ..." That is the end of this passage
of thought !!!!!!!
Yeah, being spiritually immature
and walking after the flesh puts one in the same camp as the normal,
unregenerate, unbeliever.
And How does this passage of thought begin
????? Chapter 2:6 ".....we speak wisdom among
those who are mature." It is the
childish one who presents any other option and relies on any other
source other than the personal indwelling of the
Spirit.
You're telling off on yourself JD.
What about relying on Barth, Torrance, Polyani, Kruger et al? Isn't this
the same as saying "I'm of Apollos, or I'm of Paul?
Romans 14 makes it clear that this
relationship is one of Master and saint -- exclusive of the
corporation (and I am not putting down the need for the
Assembly). The brother in Romans 14 is wrong about (perhaps) a number of
things -- but He is made right because of his relationship
with God (Romans 14:4).
We never get far from legalism do
we JD. This chapter in Romans is about Christian liberty and judging
young believers over what they eat and drink.
Romans 8:28 tells us that God can
work good our of anything -- to the believer.
To "THE BELIEVER" but it matters
what we believe. He will not work good out of deception or in the lives of
those who do not love the Truth; in fact God Himself is the one who sends
delusion to these ppl (2 Thess 2:10-12)
The work of the Spirit,
here in I Cor 2, is a similar statement -- the Spirit
working His will in the life of those who are mature enough to allow this
process to happen. I Cor. 2 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
UNDERSTAND SCRITPURE IN A DIDACHE SENSE OF THE WORD. Pastor
Smithson
So Jesus was misleading EVERYONE
when He said "If you love Me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. And I will pray the
Father and He will give you another Helper that He may abide
with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the
world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him
nor knows Him but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in
you. I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you. A little
while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I
live, you will live also; At that day you will know that I am in My Father,
and you in Me, and I in you. He who HAS MY COMMANDMENTS AND KEEPS THEM,
it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father,
and I will love him and manifest Myself to him" (John 14:15-21)
The apostle Paul goes on to explain
the difference between spiritual and carnal in 1 Cor 3;1-5; the babes in
Christ are the ones following men, those who say "I am of Paul" and "I am of
Apollos" - I am of Barth, I am of Torrance, I am of Kruger,
selah!!!
In a message dated 4/9/2005 2:30:16 AM Pacific Daylight
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
'Someone who is merely human doesn't
accept the things of God's spirit. They are foolishness to such people, you
see, and they can't understand them because they need to be discerned
spiritually. But spiritual people discern everything, while nobody else can
discern the truth about them! For 'who has known the mind of the Lord, so as
to instruct him?' But WE HAVE THE MIND OF THE MESSIAH'
In my own case, my dear family, I couldn't speak to you as
spiritual people, but as people who were all too obviously merely human,
little babies in the Messiah. I fed you with milk, not solid food, because
you weren't able to take it - and you still can't, even now! You're still
determined to live in the old way! Yes, wherever there is jealousy and
quarreling, doesn't that mean you're living in the old way, behaving as any
merely human might do? When someone says 'I'm with Paul!', and someone else
says 'I'm with Apollos!, are you not mere humans?'
