Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Only this Message can give Assurance

[Caroline Wong]

Was it three months ago when I came into your bookstore and asked, "so what 
prevents us from being universalists?" and you answering, "tradition".

That book is exactly my journey. I wonder if it's the journey of countless 
others.

Love,
Caroline
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Only this Message can give Assurance


Praise for 'The Last Word and The Word after That' (Brian McLaren, 2005 -
just released)
'Brian McLaren has written a remarkable book on hell and the grace of God.
And it is one hell of a book! The book is a narrative account, offered in 
a
winsome conversational mode. McLaren's work will be of immense help to 
those
who are rethinking fundamentalist, literalistic ways of God that, in his
judgment, have little to do with the Bible itself. The last word in the
horizon of this book is hell, taken as ultimate divine punishment. The
pastoral power of this book is that after that word, there is still the 
word
of divine grace and forgiveness that overrides all the threat. This is a
bold book that evades none of the hard questions. -Walter Brueggemann

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: April 13, 2005 00:56
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Only this Message can give Assurance


It seems that the majority of people here believe that Christ Jesus died
for
the sins of all men and that God wills that all men be saved.
The majority believes most men will end up in hell either through
a) ignorance because they never heard
b) disbelief - heard but didn't respond in faith
c) rejection - knew it is true but didn't want Jesus as Lord and/or
Saviour
d) stumbling - did not persevere in either obedience and/or faith to the
end
The minority believe most/all will end up in heaven because
a) God's will supercedes ours - He is sovereign and almighty
There are biblical verses that support both positions.
I'm pleased that we have more common ground than I originally thought. We
disagree on the final destiny of most men but I think this is where we
have
to allow one another to believe what he/she believes. Everyone has 
thought
it through. Everyone has the right to change his/her mind at any time.
There
are respected theologians who have written tomes that support either
position.
It would have been unheard of even 10 years ago but there is a rising 
tide
of Evangelicals who are switching from exclusivism to inclusivism,
conditionalism or even universalism. Some say such a movment must be the
work of the Spirit; others say it is the great apostasy of the end times.
By
their fruit you shall know them.
Love,
Caroline
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