Re: [TruthTalk] Stay Single Young Man

Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:02:03 -0700

Involvement in a ceremony to recognize a female Diety & Earth religion is "godly"? LOL
 
World-wide concern, from those Christians who still see any relevance to the appointment of an Anglican Archbishop, grew stronger with the news that Williams had been inducted into 'the Gorsedd of Bards', reported to be an historic order of Druids with pagan roots.  Williams apparently went through an hour-long ceremony at sunrise within a circle of standing stones like those at Stonehenge and the significance was variously reported, e.g.: 'The Gorsedd of Bards takes its name from the high seat, which was the mount on which the sacred kings were wedded to the female spirit of the land in ancient times.' 


Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
RW is truly a godly man but, please remember that it's me, Lance, speaking. (Discount what I say by 96.5%).
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WATCH OUT for Rowan Williams archbishop of Canterbury who performed the wedding!
 
 
Archbishop of Canterbury Is Enthroned
LONDON -- March 2003
Rowan Williams, a self-styled "hairy lefty" who has stirred the Church of England with high hopes for his charismatic intelligence and fears for his sometimes provocative views, was enthroned Thursday as the 104th archbishop of Canterbury.
Williams, an academic theologian and formerly the archbishop of Wales, has generated controversy because of his protests against possible military action against Iraq, his decision to ordain a homosexual as priest and his advocacy of women bishops.
He now leads a Church of England divided by such controversies and suffering a continuing decline in attendance -- down to about 2 percent of the nation on any Sunday.
He also heads the worldwide Anglican communion, which is strong and growing in Africa but divided -- as within the U.S. Episcopal Church -- between traditionalists and liberals.
Some evangelicals in the Church of England have said they are considering looking abroad for spiritual leadership because they believe Williams disregards the Bible's teaching on homosexuality and other issues.
"The appointment of Rowan Williams marks a sad day because it means that the Church of England now has as its most visible person someone who holds wrong views about the Bible," said the Rev. Tim Chapman, one of seven clergymen who stood outside the cathedral wearing black armbands in protest.
Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell, who invaded the pulpit at Canterbury Cathedral at Easter in 1998 to protest church teaching on homosexuality, also was outside, supporting Williams. "The enthronement of Rowan Williams is the beginning of the end of Anglican homophobia," Tatchell said.
The 900-year-old cathedral was packed with leaders of Christian churches and other faiths. Prince Charles and Prime Minister Tony Blair -- who appointed Williams -- led the lay dignitaries.
Williams, who sports a bushy, graying beard, is a political leftist and has described himself as a "hairy lefty."
There was gentle harp music from the archbishop's native Wales, thundering drums from South Africa and references to the 17th-century divine George Herbert, like Williams a poet and a priest.
Addressing differences among the faithful, Williams said the church "can't believe and say whatever it likes, for the very sound reason that it is a community of people who have been changed because and only because of Jesus Christ."
"But there is a further dimension," he added. "Living in Jesus' company, I have to live in a community that is more than just the gathering of those who happen to agree with me, because I need also to be surprised and challenged by the Jesus each of you will have experienced.
"As long as we can still identify the same Jesus in each other's life, we have something to share and to learn."

http://www.thechristianexpositor.org/page97.html
Check out the pics of Williams in the DRUID outfit!
http://www.thechristianexpositor.org/page98.html
Archbishop - or Arch-heretic?
 
SUPPORTS the ROCKY/DIPPER - FORNICATING "bible"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39114
New Bible translation promotes fornication
Archbishop of Canterbury praises version for 'extraordinary power'
"Instead of condemning fornicators, adulterers and 'abusers of themselves with mankind'," says Ruth Gledhill, the London Times religious affairs correspondent, "the new version of his first letter to Corinth has St. Paul advising Christians not to go without sex for too long in case they get 'frustrated.'"
 
REIMAGINING THE SCRIPTURES?
Here's how Williams, the top Anglican archbishop, describes the new Bible: "Instead of being taken into a specialized religious frame of reference � as happens even with the most conscientious of formal modern translations � and being given a gospel addressed to specialized concerns � we have here a vehicle for thinking and worshipping that is fully earthed, recognizably about our humanity."
EXPAND your REIMAGINING!
Williams, who is decidedly theological in this interpretation, is not proposing something radically new. He is appealing to us to expand how we think about the Resurrection.

ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I share the sadness Judy expresses about all of the �Royal� family.  I watched the wedding of C and C and wished I could be wishing them happiness, but instead I just felt great sadness for them and despaired of God ever blessing their union.  I also thought about how very lost everyone in that family is, on both sides.  And I thought that if Queen E. is the �head� of the Church of England, that church must be dead, indeed. Thank God that he can bring forth Believers out of such a spiritually arid land, but there are fewer and fewer of them.  Izzy

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stay Single Young Man

 

The Princess of Wales was pretty messed up too. A high power, high pressure marriage of convenience/love of two wounded children. We all need saving - every single day of our lives.

 

Love,

 

Caroline

 

While we're at it, I think the rest of the family was pretty messed up too. But there is so much good and so much glory in that tiny nation. Some of the greatest evangelists, missionaries and theologians came from there. Some of the greatest social reformers came from there. Our modern ideas which includes no slavery, protection of workers, education for all came from there. Remarkable. It has to be God.

 

I wonder if the Royal family is aware of spiritual warfare? They are defender of the faith and the head of the nation. Surely they must come in for more than the average person's share of spiritual lies and attacks. I hope English Christians pray for them daily.

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From: Judy Taylor

Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:14 AM

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stay Single Young Man

 

 

 

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:50:54 -0500 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

LOL Judy! I wonder what God said to Isaac and Rebekah the morning after.

 

What would be wrong with Isaac & Rebekah's union, they had the blessing of both families and she went willingly. 

 

For the longest time the State did not govern or legislate marriage. They had to do that when our societies got more complicated. I haven't done any research in this area but when did State sanctioned marriages happen? Was it because English law allows only legitimate sons to inherit with the first born one getting the main title plus the lands that went with the title?

 

They probably started it to get some kind of tax, whenever the State gets involved it has to do with power or money. However we know that marriage is ordained by God and that the marriage agreement is the closest idea we have in our generation to that of covenant.  Under Levitical law if a man lay with a maiden he had married her.

 

Someone should write a book about how primogeniture has shaped society. King Richard II became king by declaring his brother's two sons illegitimate because it was discovered that King Edward V was betrothed(!) to another before his marriage. Apparently in those days, betrothed people could have church approved sex and it was the equivalent of marriage without the ceremony.

 

British Kings were for the most part totally immoral and pretty much gave in to their carnality and lust and did what they wanted to They were 'defenders of the faith' in name only and took any female that appealed to them.

 

I can see why that tradition had to change. I can imagine some cousin of Princes Will and Harry saying, "your dad was betrothed to _____ before he married your mom so you guys are illegitimate and I'm the heir apparent." and they replying, "oh yeah and your grandfather......"

Love,  Caroline

 

No kidding; there is already speculation about Harry's paternity and Charles' behavior has been disgraceful. Apparently some uncles of his messed him up big time. One encouraged him to research the occult and another told him to sow wild oats and play the field.  This along with his loveless childhood produced an emotional wreck of a man who had nothing to give his bride in 1981 but his infidelity.  How tragic and what a horrible example to his sons.

 

From: Judy Taylor

 

How does God determine what is fornication and what is not?  I would think this would be

the important part because fornicators DO NOT inherit his Kingdom.  Adulterers don't either.    judyt

 

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:56:56 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:




I don't know what I think about living together without a legal ceremony.   I suppose that if the couple has made a conscious  commitment to one another they are "married."   I mean, the state does not tell them to separate.    It seems to me that there is a difference between living together and shaken up.  

I like what Caroline wrote, below. 

Jd




In a message dated 4/11/2005 5:36:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


                                                                                                                 Pros for legal marriage
1) legal protection and rights including survivor benefits, inheritance, insurance etc.
2) tax breaks
3) teens can't contract serial marriages/divorces behind their parents backs. Some are probably doing it anyway but they know such marriages are not accepted.
 
When teens fall in love they:
- honestly and wholeheartedly believe it'll last forever
- honestly and wholeheartedly believe it's God's will
- will believe that stats that say teen love and teen marriage is temporary does not apply to them
 
If the above three are not issues, then sure, no reason to get marriage sanctioned by State. But then again, we have to remember that everyone going to the altar never thinks they'll need State protection from the person they are swearing to love forever and ever.
 
Love,
 
Caroline



 

 

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