DAVEH: I also find it curious that the author does not discuss the plural meaning of Elohim, nor does he address some key passages such as Mt 5:48 nor does he discuss to my satisfaction the oneness of God as it applies to man as found in Jn 17:21. Likewise, he doesn't address the nature of the Godhead very well. In short, there is a lot I find lacking in this rather lengthy summary.
I will try to keep it short & to the point
Gen 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
The main verb as well as the pronouns are all plural. This would indicate that God is the "Us" and "Our" who is speaking.
God uses the plural in REFERENCE to his "IMAGE & LIKENESS"!
In the Hebrew the singular form for God is Eloah
The Hebrew plural is Elohim
To refer to two the Hebrew could have used the dual form Elohiayim
The main verb as well as the pronouns are all plural. This would indicate that God is the "Us" and "Our" who is speaking.
God uses the plural in REFERENCE to his "IMAGE & LIKENESS"!
In the Hebrew the singular form for God is Eloah
The Hebrew plural is Elohim
To refer to two the Hebrew could have used the dual form Elohiayim
Gen 1:27 "So God created man in his own image"
God then creates man in his image singular not the "our image" of "plural gods"
USE OF ECHAD INSTEAD OF YACHID
The hebrew word ECHAD expresses a compound oneness not a absolute one as expressed by Yachid
Gen. 1:5: The yom echad (first day) is a combination of two things - the evening and the morning.
"a single [echad] cluster of grapes" Numbers 13:23
"they will become one [echad] flesh." Genesis 2:24
Adam and Eve became "one flesh" but they were both still separate individuals. We see them as two but God says they are one. Obviously they did not "become" one in purpose, they became ONE FLESH! There is something you keep missing here.
The hebrew word ECHAD expresses a compound oneness not a absolute one as expressed by Yachid
Gen. 1:5: The yom echad (first day) is a combination of two things - the evening and the morning.
"a single [echad] cluster of grapes" Numbers 13:23
"they will become one [echad] flesh." Genesis 2:24
Adam and Eve became "one flesh" but they were both still separate individuals. We see them as two but God says they are one. Obviously they did not "become" one in purpose, they became ONE FLESH! There is something you keep missing here.
The Jewish SHEMA Du 6:4 "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord"
KJV Jehovah is translated Lord
KJV Elohim is translated as God
So it could be translated "Jehovah our Elohim is ONE (ECHAD) Jehovah"
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
KJV Jehovah is translated Lord
KJV Elohim is translated as God
So it could be translated "Jehovah our Elohim is ONE (ECHAD) Jehovah"
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH: Whew! That is a lot of stuff, Perry. After reading through it though, I find much I'd dispute, starting with.......
G-3: Jesus is clearly not the Son of God in a literal sense, i.e., He was not physically procreated by
God
........As you might suspect Perry, I do believe Jesus is clearly and literally, the Son of God.
I also find it curious that the author does not discuss the plural meaning of Elohim, nor does he address some key passages such as Mt 5:48 nor does he discuss to my satisfaction the oneness of God as it applies to man as found in Jn 17:21. Likewise, he doesn't address the nature of the Godhead very well. In short, there is a lot I find lacking in this rather lengthy summary.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:The mormon jesus is NOT the Jesus of the Bible, the one we Christians worship. Check out this link for details:
http://www.equip.org/free/DT160.pdf
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