Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow Way Not Loving

Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:54:51 -0700

John wrote:
> If you agree or believe that God wrote Rev. 7:9  --  well,
> you are kind of stuck, David.   The passage says that no
> one can number them.  
 
No, the passage says no MAN could number them, which is an idiom that simply means that you can't look at the crowd and assign a number to them.  How big of a crowd does it take before you are unable to number them?  For me, a crowd of about 10,000 would probably be more than I could number.  I suppose other people might do a better job, but if I looked at a crowd with that many people, I'm pretty sure that I could not get an accurate count.
 
The demonstrations at out capital and other major cities are always difficult to estimate, even for the experts with high tech equipment.  Some people will claim a million people came out, while others will say there were only 200,000.  Check out the following link for a rally in London where estimates ranged from 500,000 to 2,000,000.
 
Here is another link where a crowd was estimated by one group to be 200,000 but a more scientific analysis put the figure at 65,000.  They also report a rally where the estimate was 40,000 was perhaps actually around 5,000.
 
Check out the following link that shows great disparity between different estimaters of the Million Man march in Washington:
 
The point is that it does not take a very large group of people before you have a crowd that is more than any man can number.  In these last days, just one Christian rally in Washington D.C. could produce a multitude greater than any man can number, and the Biblical passage Rev. 7:9 speaks of many nations not just one. 
 
John wrote:
> Christ's comments regarding the "few who shall be saved"
> speak of those from physical Israel.   Do we agree with that?  
 
I agree that Christ came to minister to Israel only when he came, but I believe his teachings to them have applicability to those of us who have been grafted into Israel by faith.  Just look at Mat. 7.  What parts of the chapter are you going to suggest do not apply to anyone but Israel?  You seem keen on doing that for "few there be that find it," but what about the teachings concerning, "Judge not, that ye be not judged," or "beware of false prophets ... know them by their fruits" or "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom..." or "give not that which is holy unto the dogs" or "Ask and it shall be given you" or "how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?" or "whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."  Are you willing to argue that all these teachings are only for physical Israel?
 
John wrote:
> And isn't that the case today  -- at least from appearances?  
 
Yes, it is, but in the very last days, just before the resurrection, all of Israel will be saved.

John wrote:
> I see no reason not to rejoice in the numbers
> of those who will be saved. 
There is very much reason to rejoice in the great numbers of those who will be saved, but in comparison to all the rest of humanity, the number is relatively small.  Millions will be saved, but billions will be lost. 
 
Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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