RE: [TruthTalk] Saved -- Salvation

[Kevin Deegan]

It is his "Church of Christ" Restorationist HANGOVER!

ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The Old Testament scriptures were accessed by the Jews.   They were Jewish scripture, Linda, not Gentile scriptures.  You would not find a Gentile Christian walking around the countryside with the "Bible" under arm in those early years.      I made it clear that I was speaking of the Gentile Church and I will add -  the Gentile Church of the first century and early second century  --  after the fall of Jerusalem and it's associated impact on the Early Church.   And, the "Bible" is a  specific book  containing N.T. scriptures ...............  what did these folks do until the books of the "Bible" were decided upon by the Church?  Relationship !!!   Their relationship with Jesus.  I am not fostering some false teaching here.   If you don't believe in a "relationship" with Jesus that is something other than Bible study, then we do have a disagreement.    My reading of your posts show a "relatioship" that is valued (by you) and as distinct a circumstance as prayer or fellowship or the breaking of bread.

Jd

 

JD, no wonder you are SO confused about everything.  You don�t even realize that the O.T. was NOT just Jewish scripture�it IS scripture TODAY for every Believer, just as it always has been�just as much so as the N.T.  There is NO difference between a Jewish and non-Jewish Believer�we are just Believers, and God does not favor one over the other.  I don�t even know where to begin with you.  You, being a babe in Christ after all these years�how do I know where to start feeding you milk, let alone meat?

 

And we are not saved by �relationship� with Christ, but by His Blood, and His indwelling Presence. This comes to those who have received Him as Lord and Savior.  Without that there IS NO relationship with Christ.  Relationship is the result; not the cause.  You claim that we worship scripture?  I say that you worship the god of �Relationship�.  This is the result of pure Humanism, which is the religion that you have converted to. Repent! Izzy

 

Romans 11

Israel Is Not Cast Away

   ¹I say then, God has not ^(A)rejected His people, has He? ^(B)May it never be! For ^(C)I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.    ²God ^(D)has not rejected His people whom He ^(E)foreknew�   ⁵In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time ^(I)a remnant according to God's gracious choice.   

   ^11(P)I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? ^(Q)May it never be! But by their transgression ^(R)salvation has come to the Gentiles, to ^(S)make them jealous.

   ¹²Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their ^(T)fulfillment be!

   ¹³But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as ^(U)I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

   ¹⁴if somehow I might ^(V)move to jealousy ^(W)my fellow countrymen and ^(X)save some of them.

   ¹⁵For if their rejection is the ^(Y)reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but ^(Z)life from the dead?

   ¹⁶If the ^(AA)first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.

   ¹⁷But if some of the ^(AB)branches were broken off, and ^(AC)you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

   ¹⁸do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that ^(AD)it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

   ^19(AE)You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."

   ²⁰Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you ^(AF)stand by your faith ^(AG)Do not be conceited, but fear;

   ²¹for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

   ²²Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's ^(AH)kindness, ^(AI)if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also ^(AJ)will be cut off.

   ²³And they also, ^(AK)if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

   ²⁴For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

   ²⁵For ^(AL)I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this ^(AM)mystery--so that you will not be ^(AN)wise in your own estimation--that a partial ^(AO)hardening has happened to Israel until the ^(AP)fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

   ²⁶and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
         "^(AQ)THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
         HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
      ²⁷"^(AR)THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
         ^(AS)WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."

   ²⁸From the standpoint of the gospel they are ^(AT)enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for ^(AU)the sake of the fathers;

   ²⁹for the gifts and the ^(AV)calling of God ^(AW)are irrevocable.

   ³⁰For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience,

   ³¹so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.

 

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