Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

[Kevin Deegan]

There you go again, no movie rec's?

I recommend you read the Bible!

Start here: Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Egypt, you ask? I practically live there.

Are we a living 'soul'? Yes! Do we 'have a soul'? No!

I'd recommend that you read: 'From Cells to Souls-and Beyond - Changing
Portraits of Human Nature - Malcolm Jeeves


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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: April 20, 2005 11:12
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation


> Lance wrote:
> >>> As you, and perhaps others interpret Scripture,
> >>> vis a vis the 'soul' you are COMPLETELY GREEK
> >>> IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING. Can I get an AMEN?
>
> Judy wrote:
> >> Since you have no frame of reference as to what I am
> >> saying Lance, how in the world would you know?
> >> You reject it because your mind is full of old movies
> >> and the teachings of these men. Broken cisterns and
> >> blind guide...
>
> Lance wrote:
> > Who among you, respected by Judy, would make this
> > point in other words?
>
> Are you asking for someone to make your point or her point?
>
> Your point, Lance, misses the mark. Just consider the Egyptian culture
> which predates the Greeks. They were very concerned about the after-life
> and built huge pyramids because of this belief. I've been to Egypt and
seen
> some of them. Have you?
>
> Furthermore, just because an idea is found in the Greek culture does not
> mean it is a wrong idea. Many times you and others have this unspoken
> assumption that anything from Greek culture is wrong. Some of us consider
> this to be a false assumption.
>
> Add to this the idea that you often paint views with too broad of a brush.
> For example, Greeks were not united in their belief of the immortality of
> the soul. Plato certainly did posit a belief in the immortality of the
soul
> which led to its popular conception much like Christianity has in our
> culture, but Aristotle did not hold to such a belief. Plato's influence
has
> fed much of our Christian history and theology, but Aristotle has fed much
> of our scientific history and philosophy which denies the existence of a
> soul or spirit. So your effort to try and attribute the concept of the
> continuation of the soul after death to being COMPLETELY GREEK fails on
many
> fronts, both by overgeneralization, and by not appreciating the Greek
> influence upon your favorite theologians' holistic view of man (which is
> clearly Aristotelian and therefore Greek too!).
>
> I also would like to point out that despite your rhetoric about the Greek
> concept of the soul, the greatest teacher and revelator about the
> continuation of the soul was Jesus Christ. We should look to his
teachings
> to settle this matter. Just read Luke 16:19-31 and get the image that
Jesus
> held, which was very much like that depicted in a work from the first
> century Jewish / Roman historian Flavius Josephus.
>
> As for Judy's point, try to read Kevin's post with the subject,
> "Universalists about fear not love." I think that very well captures the
> problems we have with the universalist perspective that many on TruthTalk
> have. You seem to draw upon movies and teachings from men for theology
> whereas many of us draw upon Scriptures. It is kind of like arguing with
> someone who always quotes from secondary sources. As a book reader, I
think
> you can appreciate, as scholars on the list can, that when disputes arise,
> we should favor primary sources over secondary sources. It is difficult
to
> do that with many of you because you refuse to do that. Scripture is our
> primary source, don't you agree?
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
>
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