jt: Do
you hate him JD
because he speaks the truth to you?
Not even
close -- hatred expects and desires harm. I hope only
the best for King David. I was quite taken with David in the
beginning.
jt:
What happened to change your mind - I can't
see that he has changed? Calling him King is sarcasm, so you are
not walking in love toward him.
If David is as
gifted with others and he is in his understanding of me
-- he needs to take up golf.
jt: You do the same with me JD. I
have to say the same thing over and over ad nauseum and you still
misquote and misunderstand constantly... but sigh! Love is patient
and since God has been so longsuffering with us, we have no
right to demand ... If
you don't agree with him then at least raise a rational
objection with a basis in scriptural or other grounds These personal
attacks are a downer - they don't edify anyone.
jt
That I
do..
jt: I must have missed it
then. I've not seen a well thought out scriptural argument to
anything David has written from you or Lance only ridicule, sarcasm, and
derogatory personal evaluations.
JD your "immersion"
is running thin.......... what happened to all your pious
talk?
In a message dated 4/20/2005 7:34:26 AM Pacific Daylight
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is a true statement, John, but
I'm not sure you understand it.
If this sentence
stood alone, Judy, no criticism would be due.
But, David has majored in condescension on so many occasions
that his sentence, here, opens the door to criticism.
jt: He says he is "not sure" so why
not just explain that you do understand it and then tell him what your
understanding is?
DM: I think we all have agreed previously that the
one who is perfect in love does not sin.
David thinks
that he can manipulate the discussion with statements such as this
one. He uses this tactic fairly often. The fact
of the matter is this, "we" have never agreed that one who is
perfect[ed] in love does not sin.
jt: Why not, don't you believe 1
John 3:9 is included with the rest of scripture? Also why are you
always looking for "tactics" I don't see this at all in what DM
writes.
David, you miss
Judy, and others do not understand what it means to be "falling short of
the glory." THAT, I believe, is one of the central issues in
the continuing debate between the Two Camps. Gideons Gospel
Crusaders, the A Team, Camp Solidarity, the Righteous
Triad holds to the biblical teaching that we have been perfected
by Another -- that righteousness is, in deed, a desire
of God; so much so that, while he waits on our efforts at
same, He has declared us to be righteous because of faith
!!!!!
jt: I do understand what missing the
mark means JD and I'm sure DM understands this also
- Where we differe is that you are claiming that Jesus did it all,
that everything you stand in is His. Whereas my belief is that, He paid
the price and made the way but now we are supposed to walk in it.
Faith without corresponding actions is considered by God to be dead
- So when we love Jesus and believe what He says we obey Him and
obedience is really the bone of contention
here.
The B Team,
those who have taken the fun out of Fundies, Camp Justice,
the Inspired Interpreters of the Whats Happening Now Church of the Not
So Eternal Firstborn, they prefer the teaching that God is
not only limited but stymied in His ability to save mankind;
salvation is going to heaven because we do the right things; and
hell is a ponding basin for Gideon's Gospeleers. Faith verse
works. The oldest conflict in the church's long and
storied history.
jt: In your mind
maybe JD. I don't struggle with that controversy at all - never have.
Obedience is not works, it is the natural outgrowth of "saving"
faith. If your faith is of the other variety. Oh
well!! Sorry about that.
What would happen if the
Triad Collection were not here? You guys would be tearing
each other up -- because each of you has a "list of
essentials" that differes with the others and you have not a clue on how
God wants you handle those differences. As long as
Bill, Lance and Company are here, it is allows you(all) to forget
that you, individually, agree with no one !!!
