RE: [TruthTalk] baptism

[ShieldsFamily]

Terry, this is believing what we cannot see: John 20:29Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed." You do that. Matt 25 tells you how to get a “Well done good and faithful servant.”  You also do that. As you know, our faith is not JUST what we mentally or verbally assent to, but what we also prove we believe by our everyday actions.  Only God knows what we do/don’t do when no one is watching, but you can pretty much see the fruit that hangs on a tree.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:29 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism   I have read this verse many times, but evidently I cannot grasp it as well as Izzy and Dave H.  What would constitute evidence of things we cannot see?  Invisable faith is hard to grasp for me.  Is it simple intellectual assent, or is it a thing or a number of things that can be measured?   IOW, can you tell a person has faith by what they say, or are they required to be faithful?  Can you get a "Well done, good and faithful servant" for simply saying "I believe"?  How 'bout some clear concise answers that an uneducated redneck can comprehend.  Then when we agree what faith is, we can all tell who has it. Terry ShieldsFamily wrote: Hebrews 11:1   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:21 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism   Here is another question that was never answered by any who were party to the conversation.   Debbie   ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism   If I might step between y"all for a moment, I would ask that you first define faith.  What is faith? Terry Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH:  I concur, Kevin.  Faith is certainly a key element of salvation, but I do not think it is the only element necessary for salvation.  How do you see it, Kevin....do you believe faith is the only necessary element of salvation?   DAVEH:  Hey Kevin........Do you have a problem with me using 1Cor 15:29 in support of other Biblical passages that become cumulative evidence that the Primitive Christians believed a water baptism was necessary for salvation?  It does lead one to that logical conclusion, does it not? Christians of all ages accept the clear teaching that salvation is by Faith -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.