RE: [TruthTalk] Paradise and Salvation

[ShieldsFamily]

Then how do you think it is that wicked men do not do great works in the Spirit, but humble, godly men do? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:02 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Paradise and Salvation   What scripture teaches such?   Gal 3:3 Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is it possible that we receive the Holy Spirit and the gifts thereof in relationship to our faith and obedience? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 8:15 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Paradise and Salvation   It has to take place AFTER salvation. Yielding to the Holy Ghost is not a additional filling. Since every believer recieves ABUNDANTLY of the Holy Spirit, there is not a class of believers who then recieve SUPER ABUNDANTLY.   A Believer can YIELD Romans 6 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. OR A Believer can: Grieve the Holy Spirit Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Quench the Holy Spirit 1 Thessalonians 5:19 Quench not the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is recieved at the time of Salvation BY FAITH, is there a second work recieved by your good works? The scriptures say NO. Gal 3:3 Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?   Some examples: Acts 2 & Acts 4 They were filled with the Holy Ghost at the initial filling not a secondary Paul was Filled at first bestowal when he recieved his sight Acts 9 :17 he was still filled in Acts 13:9 ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin, couldnt that go both ways? If yielding to the Holy Ghost is what the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is all about why couldnt that take place after one is initially saved? Izzy   I do not see it as a secondary experience but a matter of yielding to the Holy Ghost Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.