I did not miss the main point CPL! Kevin was, in reality, doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. Please think about what that means.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: May 11, 2005 13:59 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism > Lance, I was not comparing Kevin to Jesus. I was comparing the relative > poularity of the two within their respective contexts. The main point, which > you may have missed, is that doing the right thing for the right reasons is > not always popular. I suspect that Jesus' approach was, in the eyes of the > money lenders, as unpopular as Kevin's approach is with you. One big > difference...Kevin's approach is not affecting your income! > > Perry > > >From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: <[email protected]> > >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism > >Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:19 -0400 > > > >I know Jesus. Kevin is no Jesus. Very bad illustration, Charles Perry > >Locke. > >(heretofor 'Chuckie' after the films) > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: May 11, 2005 10:31 > >Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism > > > > > > > Lance, do you think Jesus was giving Christianity a "bad rap" when he > > > overturned the moneylenders' tables in the temple? Instead, should he > >have > > > quoted some 2nd century BC greek philospopher on the existential > >qualities > > > of selling in the temple, then entered into meaningful dialog about what > >the > > > philosopher really meant, whether or not it applies today, and then > > > discussed how different interpretations of the scripture (OT) fit in > >with > > > the philosophy? Lets be Real Christians, okay? > > > > > > >From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [email protected] > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism > > > >Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:39:55 -0400 > > > > > > > >It amazes me that could could ask this of Dave, Perry! ,at least > >without > >a > > > >'smiley'. Kevin is a jerk and, he comes accross as one (I probably do > >as > > > >well) on TT. I bet he does 'on the street' also. It is such that give > > > >christianity a bad rep. He probably sees himself as 'suffering for the > > > >cause > > > >of Christ' whereas it's just the 'jerk factor' in play. > > > > > > > >Kevin:Speaking JtoJ we ought to keep this in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > >Sent: May 11, 2005 09:29 > > > >Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > > > > > I can't understand why you do not hang on every word Kevin posts! > >He > > > > > backs up all of his biblical claims with scripture references, and > >not > > > >just > > > > > one or two, with several to many. He backs up what he claims about > >the > > > > > Mormon church with statements from your own non-prophets and > >leaders. > >He > > > >has > > > > > a passion for the Lord, and quite evidently has been called to use > >this > > > > > passion, and his knowledge of the Word, to spread the gospel. I > >would > > > >expect > > > > > him to act no differently on TT than he does on the street. Just > >because > > > >he > > > > > does not fit your idea of what Truth Talk should be does not mean > >that > > > >his > > > > > exchanges are not meaningful. In fact, in terms of proclaiming the > > > >gospel > > > >to > > > > > the unsaved, Kevin is probably doing more on TT than any other > >poster. > > > >He > > > > > steadfastly sticks to the message, not straying into the > > > >pseudo-intellectual > > > > > realms of so many posts. Those things are often titillating and fun > >to > > > > > ponder, but when it comes down to it, either you believe or you > >don't. > > > > > > > > > > Perry > > > > > > > > > > >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Reply-To: [email protected] > > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism > > > > > >Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:46:44 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >DAVEH: Nothing will make for easier discussions, IF one of the > >parties > > > > > >does not want to have a meaningful exchange, Kevin. I view TT as > >being > > > >a > > > > > >place where two or more people of contrasting opinions can explore > >why > > > > > >other's believe differently. I perceive that some TTers (such as > > > >yourself) > > > > > >are here not to have a meaningful discussion unless it results in > >the > > > >other > > > > > >person adopting your beliefs. Basically, you want to use TT as a > >forum > > > >to > > > > > >convert people to Christianity as you understand it...is that > >correct? > > > > > >Assuming so, you probably don't feel a need to find areas of common > > > >belief, > > > > > >but rather cut right to the chase and try to overwhelm your > >opponent > > > >with > > > > > >their error of thought/belief as you perceive it. Have I analyzed > >it > > > > > >correctly, Kevin? > > > > > > > > > > > > I harbor no illusions about changing your anti attitudes, > >Kevin. > > > >But > > > >I > > > > > >am curious as to why you are as you are (and why you believe as you > > > >do), > > > >if > > > > > >that makes any sense. It's just one of my hang-ups I suppose. > >So, > > > >every > > > > > >now and then you do reveal a bit about yourself, for which I am > > > > > >appreciative. But as I see it, you mostly put up a pretty thick > >wall > > > > > >hoping to wear your opponents down in their futile efforts to > >overcome > > > >that > > > > > >wall. Then you try to attack their perceived soft spot, hoping f or > >a > > > >quick > > > > > >victory. > > > > > > > > > > > > That'll be $250 for your initial therapy session, please! :-D > > > > > > > > > > > >Kevin Deegan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Why does it make discussions easier????? > > > > > >> Do you mean it will disarm those rascal Anti's? > > > > > >> > > > > > >>*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> DAVEH: I think it makes discussions much easier if common > >points > > > > > >> are first found, Kevin. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Kevin Deegan wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> What is this Mormon preoccupation with finding all the > >things > >we > > > > > >>> have in common? > > > > > >>> Why would one want to find; lets say, for example, all the > > > >things > > > > > >>> they have in common with the devil? > > > > > >>> So what then; after we find what we have in common? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> */Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Charles Perry Locke wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>>> DAVEH: Ohhhhhhhh....what an interesting response, > >Perry! > > > > > >>>>> I must say that I do find it rather curious that you would > > > > > >>>>> rather take a more vigorous new tack against my > >beliefs > > > > > >>>>> rather than discuss issues of theology common to both > >of > > > >us. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> It is not what we have in common that is the > >problem...it > > > > > >>>> is what we do NOT have in common. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> DAVEH: So you have no interest in discussing theology > >in > >an > > > > > >>> effort to see what we might believe in common? Maybe we > > > >have > > > > > >>> two different perspectives about TT, Perry. I view it > >as > >a > > > > > >>> place where people of divergent opinions can share ideas > >and > > > > > >>> quiz one another about their beliefs without feeling > > > > > >>> threatened or inviting a hard sell approach to change > >other > > > > > >>> people. I'm beginning to think you are here to do > >battle, > > > >so > > > > > >>> to speak. To you, TT merely is a place to convert > >people > >to > > > > > >>> your way of thinking. Am I reading you wrong on this? > >If > > > > > >>> not, then for what reason did you come to TT, Perry? > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > >Dave Hansen > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >http://www.langlitz.com > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > >If you wish to receive > > > > > >things I find interesting, > > > > > >I maintain six email lists... > > > > > >JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, > > > > > >STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > >may > > > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > > > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > > > > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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