From: " [EMAIL PROTECTED]" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy: I don't know who this man is Blaine; all I can say is
that "MAN LOOKS AT THE OUTWARD APPEARANCE" whereas God looks at the
heart/motivation.
**BLAINE: What tells us more about motivation that what a man or a
church does? If Mormons do well, can you say they mean to do evil?
As Jesus said, "A house divided against itself, cannot stand."
Things are more often than not opposite to the way they
appear - God's wisdom says "There is a way that seems right to a man and
appears straight before him, but at the end of it is the way of death" (Prov
16:25 Ampl). I'm sure it's true that there
are a lot of good (deceived) Mormon ppl.
**Blaine: That's mighty charitable of you, Judy. Except I am
absolutely convinced we are not at all deceived. It seems as though the
deception if there is one is being carried out by the ministers who negate
Mormonism at every turn, in any way possible. Do they ever say any good
comes from Mormonism? Nope.
If the foundations are wrong Blaine there is not much
else a minister in good conscience can say.
They don't want anyone to know the great amount of good Mormons do.
In all honesty, I can't think of a single church that actually does the good the
LDS Church does daily. I was on a mission for the LDS Church, among the
poor. The Church has almost unlimited resources to help the worthy
poor. I never saw a Mormon Bishop turn anyone down, worthy or no, for that
matter.
Feeding the body does not validate the spiritual poison
being spread Blaine. God used Egypt for a season to feed His ppl during a
time of famine but later He judged them. There
is also the other side of the story; statistics from Utah which I'm sure Kevin
could find as he has posted them before.
**Blaine: Good thing for the negate-the-Mormons King, Kevin! He
sure is good at finding dirt. If there is any anywhere, he will be sure to
dig it up. LOL
I believe I've written in the past about our daughter's
friend who was born and raised in SLC. He gives an entirely other scenario about
what it is like to live there as a non Mormon. and the scandals such as
the false prophet who kidnapped Elizabeth Smart - and the Gary Gilmore saga;
insisting on being shot through the heart because of some misguided teaching he
had about "blood atonement" jt
**BLAINE: Scandals? Since the fall of Adam, many unfortunate
men of all faiths have done horrendous acts. Judas, after being under the
direct influence of Jesus Christ, the perfect man, chose to betray his
master. Cain, after the many righteous teachings he surely received
from his righteous father Adam, nevertheless took his brother's
life.
Judas was destined to be the "son of perdition" and is
the ONLY one Jesus lost of those given to Him by the Father. Cain was
warned about "sin lying at the door" - Oh and incidentally following the
fall Adam was not righteous, he had chosen another master.
You may condemn the sinner, but not the Church or righteous man that taught
him to abstain from sin. You have to discriminate between what they were
actually taught by their respective religions, and what they took it upon
themselves to do by their own choices. No Mormon was ever taught by the
LDS Church to do any of these things. As for Gary Gilmore, the Bible
teaches blood atonement!!
The Bible does not teach what Gary Gilmore believed. He
is not now righteous because he went in front of a firing squad to atone for
killing that gas station attendant. There is only one way to become
righteous and Gary Gilmore was not taught that way. His mother was a devout
Mormon and his father was abusive.
See Rev 6:9-10 ". . .I saw under the alter the souls of them that
were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held, And they
cried with a loud voice, how long, O Lord, Holy and true, dost thou not judge
and AVENGE our BLOOD on them that dwell on the earth?"
Those are martyrs who died for the faith - such as the
apostles who were all crucified under Nero, beheaded, or died in some other
violent way. Kevin may join their number if he keeps tangling with
Sodomites and others given to violence because ppl in overt sin don't want to
hear about it. You, DaveH, Raymond, and Lance might not stone him
literally but he regularly takes a beating with words.
judyt
An Editorial on Mormons
Paul Allen
Santa Clarita, CA
newspaper Editor:
I have heard and seen enough!
I have lived
in the West all my life. I have worked around them. They have worked for me and
I for them.
When I was young, I dated their daughters. When I got
married they came to my wedding.
Now that I have daughters of my own,
some of their boys have dated my daughters. I would be privileged if one of them
were to be my son-in-law.
I'm talking about the Mormons.
They are
some of the most honest, hard-working people I have ever known.
They are
spiritual, probably more than most other so-called religious people I have
encountered.
They study the Bible and teach from it as much as any
Christian church ever has.
They serve their religion without pay in
every conceivable capacity. None of their leaders, teachers, counselors, Bishops
or music directors receive one dime for the hours of labor they put in. The
Mormons have a non-paid ministry - a fact not generally known.
I have
heard many times from the pulpits of others how evil and non-Christian they are
and that they will not go to heaven. I decided recently to attend one of their
services near my home to see for myself. What a surprise! What I
heard and saw was just the opposite from what the religious ministers of the day
were telling me. I found a very simple service with no fanfare. I found a people
with a great sense of humor and a well-balanced spiritual side. There was no
loud music. Just a simple service, with the members themselves giving the
several short sermons.
They urge their youth to be morally clean and
live a good life.
They teach the gospel of Christ, as they understand it.
The name of their church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."
Does that sound like a non-Christian church to you?
I asked them many
questions about what they teach and why. I got answers that in most cases were
from the New Testament. Their ideas and doctrines did not seem too far
fetched for my understanding. When I read their "Book of Mormon" I was
also very surprised to find just the opposite from what I had been told I would
find.
Then I went to another church's pastor to ask him some of the same
questions about doctrine. To my surprise, when he found out that I was in some
way investigating the Mormons, he became hostile. He referred to them as a
non-Christian cult. I received what sounded to me like evil propaganda against
those people. He stated bluntly that they were not Christian and that they did
not fit into the Christian mold. He also told me that they don't really believe
the Bible. He gave me a pile of anti-Mormon literature. He began to rant that
the Mormons were not telling me the truth about what they stand for. He didn't
want to hear anything good about them. At first I was surprised and then again,
I wasn't. I began to wonder.
I have never known of a cult that supports
the Boy Scouts of America.
According to the Boy Scouts, over a third of
all the Boy Scout troops in the United States are Mormon.
What cult do
you know of that has a welfare system second to none in this country? They have
farms, canneries and cattle ranches to help take care of the unfortunate ones
who might be down and out and in need of a little help The Mormon Church has
donated millions to welfare causes around the world without a word of credit.
They have donated thousands to help re-build Baptist churches that were burned a
few years ago. They have donated tons of medical supplies to countries ravaged
by earthquakes.
You never see them on TV begging for money. What cult do
you know of that instills in its members to obey the law, pay their taxes, serve
in the military if asked and be a good Christian by living high moral standards?
Did you know that hundreds of thousands Mormon youth get up before high
school starts in the morning to attend a religious training class?
They
have basketball and softball leagues and supervised youth dances every month.
They are recruited by the FBI, the State Department and every police
department in the country because they are trustworthy.
They are taught
not to drink nor take drugs.
They are in the Secret Service - those who
protect the President.
They serve in high leadership positions from both
parties in Congress and in the U.S. Senate, and have been governors of several
states other than Utah. They serve with distinction and honor.
If you
have Mormons living near, you will probably find them to be your best friends
and neighbors.
They are Christians who try to live what they preach.
They are not perfect and they are the first to admit this. I have known
some of them who could not live their religion, just like many of us.
The
rhetoric which is spread around against them is nothing more than evil
propaganda founded in untruths. (Others) had successfully demonized them to the
point that the general public has no idea what they actually believe and teach.
If you really want to know the truth, go see for yourself. You, also, will be
surprised.
When I first moved here some 25 years ago there were five
Mormon wards in Santa Clarita. Now there are 15. They must be doing something
right.
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