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IFF I believe the earth is flat & IFF I believe
in geocentrism &. IFF I date the cosmos to 4004 BC then, IMO, I am
anti-reality. Like that, man..
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Sent: May 13, 2005 01:55
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]
Anti-Christian
DAVEH: But Lance...did you use the term anti-Christian
before you joined TT? I'm wondering if it is a commonly used term in the
Christian world, or if it has just become a popular TT term in response to the
anti-Mormon term that is being discussed.
I guess
I'm not as clever as you may think, Lance. No...I still do not agree
with you. Just because somebody has a different understanding/belief
about Jesus does not make him an anti-Christian. Here's a simple
definition from the net......
Christian : someone who follows the
teachings of Jesus Christ.
..........To be an anti-Christian, would
not one be engaged in an effort to denigrate Jesus rather than be attempting
to follow his teachings?
If you want to define
anti-Christian as having a false understanding of Jesus, then (excluding the
Mormons on TT) do you suppose that everybody on TT has exactly the same
correct understanding of Jesus? If not, then any who have the slightest
misunderstanding would be an anti-Christian....is that the way you see it
Lance?
Lance Muir wrote:
Q:Do Christians ever...? I do. When I read/hear
'a' Jesus I don't recognize from Scripture then, I deem that message
'anti-christian'. You're a clever guy, Dave. You see the
distinction.
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Sent:
May 12, 2005 10:12
Subject:
[Bulk] [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian
DAVEH: Sure it does, Lance. Do Christians ever
use the term, anti-Christian? Or, is it simply a term
Perry/Kevin coined to label me with in an effort to disparage my belief in
Jesus? That I would disagree or even argue that another's Christian
based theology is misguided would not make me an anti-Christian.
Even if I were right in that thinking, it would not make the other person
not a Christian. As long as his beliefs are based on Christian
principles (rightly or wrongly), he would by dictionary definitions be a
Christian.
LDS folks did coin the anti-Mormon
term, and subsequently defined it in effect as one who actively
preaches against and denigrates LDS theology. If Perry/Kevin want to
label me anti-Christian, then the similarity does not hold as I do not
actively preach against Jesus.
From what I
remember about your posts, you do not actively denigrate LDS
theology. Hence I do not consider you an anti-Mormon. That you
don't believe LDS theology does not enter into the equation. It is
your intent, as I see it. Perry and Kevin on the other hand have
demonstrated their desire to actively fight against LDS theology, hence
they meet the qualification of being an anti-Mormon. Do you see the
difference....it seems to me to be the intent, as well as the
actions.
I hope I've not muddled that up as I've
tried to explain it.
Lance Muir wrote:
DH:Intent does play a part.
DAVEH: Ahhhhhhh, thanx for the explanation, Lance. I would
respectfully disagree with you though. If two people sincerely believe
they are Christians, in the sense of following the admonitions of Jesus
as they understand them, then neither would be an anti-Christian in my
opinion....even though one (or perhaps both) are believing/teaching
things about Jesus that may not be true. As I see it, an anti-Christian
would be one who is defiantly teaching against Jesus, and the term would
not apply to one who is simply mistaken in his beliefs about Jesus.
Lance Muir wrote:
When you believe/teach a Jesus who is other than Who He really is then,
you
are anti-Christ. This would/could be equally true of some non-Mormon
Christians.
DAVEH: You've lost me on this one, Lance....Will you please rephrase it
so a sleepy Mormon boy can understand the question?
Lance Muir wrote:
YOU ARE INDEED IFF what you have come to believe is, in reality, not
the
true gospel. Would you not agree?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: May 09, 2005 10:04
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions
DAVEH: Why would you consider me anti-Christian, Kevin? Have I been
attacking Jesus?
Perry on the other hand has admitted to attacking Mormonism, so the
anti-Mormon label would be appropriate, would it not?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
You are very perceptive, I am a very sensitive guy : )
I have no problems with labels a wear a few.
I do have a problem when it is a manuever to discredit the messenger
without dealing with the issues.
By the way I believe most of the labels I have posted are of a
theological bent (liberal) not such as emotional (ANGRY) or
psychological (mental)
So if Perry is ANTI Mormon then you qualify on the same grounds as
ANTI Christian!
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