Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

[Kevin Deegan]

Maybe if you read the bible, instead of fantasy books, you would have a understanding of what God's word has to say on the subject.

 

Why is it that every time one of you Liberals disagrees with God's word of course it is a incorrect reading?

Who made you chief editor of God's word?

Maybe it is God who has Hardened you Bible Correctors Hearts, as his judgement of your rebellious spirit.

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Izzy, have you considered that your reading of the Lord hardening Pharoah's heart may not be the correct reading?  Would you consider that some may define that _expression_ differently than you?  Consider that Raymond may be correctly assessing the heart of God (one who softens instead of hardens) and then approaching the passage in Exodus.  The eyeglasses one wears always colour our perceptions.  Our view of God colours how we read Scripture.  If we view God as One who hardens hearts we will then look at this text as justifying what we already believe.  If we view God as being One who is love (in His very core of being) we will delve in and wrestle with the text (note that the text also says that Pharoah hardened his own heart etc.) instead of approaching it with a tentative surface meaning.  We all become like the God we adore.  Those that adore a hard, vengeful, angry God tend to be hard, vengeful and angry right here on TT.

 

A new approach to people's posts on TT would be beneficial.  Before we rush to defend our own opinions with our prooftexts perhaps wrestling with why a person holds a certain belief would be in order.  Would it have hurt to see that you may have agreed with Raymond when he says that God softens hearts?  Has God ever softened yours?  Could you have used that to continue (rather than end) the dialogue?  Rather than 10 vacuous posts a day how about just one well-thought, well constructed, and well meaning post?

 

Jonathan

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Raymond, Have you not read the book of Exodus, or do you just disagree with it when it says the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart? Izzy

 

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David:  Why would such be bad?  Have you not read how the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart?  Don't you think Jesus himself hardened the hearts of the scholars (both Sadducees and Pharisees) of his day?  Was that bad?

 

Raymond:  I respectfully disagree.  The Lord does not hardened hearts; He softens them.

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