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Because you're saying God can't save us unless we
keep ourselves free of sin after we accept Him as our Lord.
Love,
Caroline
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Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk]
[TruthTalk] Street Preaching
I don't remember saying anything about co-saviors
Caroline - where do you get this from? Co-laboring is entirely different. Paul says in 1 Cor 3:9 that
he and Apollos were co-laboring with God; one
plants and the other waters. In our own lives we are to labor to enter
into rest Hebrews 4:11 - It doesn't all just fall
on us because Jesus went to the cross. He's done His part but now it's
time for us to take care of ours or - "How will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?"
judyt
So we are to be co-saviours with Jesus Christ?
Love, Caroline
Salvation being a "gift" is speaking of it in our
own "cultural context" as in children's Christmas musicals
etc.
However, if you will read scripture in balance
and in context you will find that we are to labor together
with
God to "work out our own salvation with fear and
trembling" It is not anything we catch by osmosis and
just because Jesus became a man and made it does
not guarantee we will. He left us an example that we
should follow in His steps and sent the Promise
to empower us to do so.
Many are called - but "overcomers" will be the
chosen ones in the Last Day. judyt
A great verse that bolsters Paul's argument
that all Israel will be saved because God made a promise to Abraham, Isaac
and Jacob.
I wonder.... what can we apply this verse
to? What gifts and calling have been
given to us? Salvation? gasp!
What scripture tells us to check
the culture? You watch too much TV!
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of
God are without repentance. Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
That
was then (John Wesley) and, this is now (David & Kevin). These
are
quite different cultural contexts.
From: "David
Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Caroline Wong wrote:
>
> I've met many Christians from many different churches
>
> and denominations (including Methodist/Wesleyan)
> >
and never came across a Street Preacher.
>
> The father
of the Methodist/Wesleyan tradition was John Wesley. He was
a
> street preacher who first preached outside while standing
on his father's
> grave because those of the religious
establishment didn't want him in
their
> pulpit. If it were
not for street preachers, there would be no Methodists
> or
Wesleyans. I encourage you to read more about John Wesley and
his
field
> preaching. Wesley first observed George
Whitefield open air preaching and
> described it as
disorderly. Wesley seemed to think of it like some of the
>
detractors here in this forum, describing it as "almost a sin."
After
open
> air preaching for 33 years, Wesley still
described it as a cross to him,
but
> he knew his
commission and could see no other way to preach the gospel
to
> every creature. The bottomline is that God used John
Wesley mightily in
> open air preaching and he could not deny
the results. Many of us have
> similar
testimonies.
>
> I grew up in the Methodist tradition
too, and I never saw someone
preaching
> outside until I
was well into my twenties. This is sad, because Jesus did
>
it, the apostles did it, it is in the Bible, and it is found in
the
> tradition of the Methodists, Salvation Army, Puritans,
and even in the
> history of evangelists like Billy
Graham.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David
Miller.
>
>
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you ought to answer every man." (Colossians
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