Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

[Kevin Deegan]

Out and out bearing of false witness, when there is no witness. That qualifies as LYING.

How can I ever trust a Liar again?

Hurry, call all your "Christian" friends and "Share" with them

Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I basically agree with your thesis Caroline, about the love part anyway but I see your _expression_ as a bit lop sided

and definitely Pollyannaish.  God never has changed His nature and character. He is the same today as he was when Moses wrote Deuteronomy and the blessings for obedience and the curses for disobedience still stand. 

 

Yes Christ became a curse for us so that we don't have to walk in it - but we are.  Something is very wrong because the Church is just as sick as the world.  Go to any doctor's waiting room - you won't be able to tell the difference and this ought not to be.  Why is the Church wearing the curse? Because we don't understand sin, righteousness, or judgment as Per Hosea 4:6 - while we are busy being nice folk and respecting ppl Satan is eating us for lunch and because pastors don't want to deal with it some are even teaching that this is a blessing.

 

Maybe your denomination has taught you that we will be perfected when the final trump sounds and the Church is raptured off to heaven.  Well God doesn't need us perfected up there, he has enough perfect ones and no sin there. He needs us to do the work of the ministry here.  Kevin may not believe exactly like me but he is busy doing what he believes God has called him to do and some of you are all over him like a rash in spite of what God says about division and strife (in his eyes this is the same as adultery)  Grace and Peace, judyt

 

 

On Sun, 15 May 2005 16:49:17 -0500 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jesus. Yeshuah. God saves. He is able to overcome all our faults and sins. He is able to overcome all our wounds and brokenness. He is constantly at work in all our lives. He tells us when we're wrong (judgment) so that we can turn and do right. He blesses us with his forgiveness so that sin can not enslave and kill us. He loves us and is delighted when we do good. He loves us and is grieved when we hurt another person or another person hurts us. If He did not love us, He would not be delighted or grieved by us.

 

Some people believe we're on our own and then, when we die, God gives us the scorecard. I believe God is with us from beginning to end: loving, convicting, forgiving, grieving, loving, enjoying, judging, loving, pursuing, calling, correcting, loving

 

Love, Caroline

From: Judy Taylor

 

They are only observations JD, I was misguidedly thinking that the immersion had been having an effect :)  But let's face it - When we come to Jesus we are all a mess and we remain a work in progress for a long time after that. The goal of the instruction is love from a PURE heart and unfeigned love of the brethren which does not happen overnight - and yes the condition of the heart is the deciding factor because a person with a pure heart will also have a sanctified mouth and we all know what kind of strife the tongue can kindle.... jt

 

On Sun, 15 May 2005 15:36:18 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Please read my questions below and give an answer.   Your personal judgments about me are no answer to my questions.    Additionally, are some gluttons saved and others lost because of "attitude of heart?" Are you saying that it is the condition of the heart rather than mere "sin" that God looks to? 

 

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Why was I naive enough to think you were asking an honest question JD; I should have known I was being

set up and that you had this hidden agenda... Who said a "glutton" is saved and a "confessing pervert" lost??  Certainly not me.  What both Terry and I said is that all fat ppl are not gluttons.  Read the scriptures and you will find that gluttony and drunkenness and surfeiting are an attitude of the heart.  It is walking after the flesh.  If you want to go around judging every fat person - then that is another area of sin.

 

As for my beliefs - you know nothing about them.  What you think you know stems from your bad experiences in the past which you equate with legalism, works faith and some such convoluted system; these are your issues JD. They have nothing at all to do with me.  jt

 

 

On Sun, 15 May 2005 12:08:41 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

For the most part, we are fat because we consume too many calories.   Call it gluttony; call it over-eating.   It damages the "temple of God."   Why is this person "saved" and the confessing "pervert" lost?    Sins of omission will send us to hell, under your gospel.   How many minutes can I sit watching TV while not, at the same time,  preaching to the lost?   I collect 1:18 model cars.   I just spent $250 on a 1955 Mercedes with something like 3600 individual parts  -----   going to hell until I repent, take the car back and give the money to the local church or a needy ministry or a needy person? 

 

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

As Terry said - all fat ppl are not gluttons but if you are concerned or interested here's a Bible Study:

 

Gluttony & Drunkenness seem to go together like siamese twins (as an attitude of the heart) and under the Old

Covenant they they were cause for a rebellious son who would not listen to be stoned (Deuteronomy 21:20)

 

These two are also mentioned in tandem in Proverbs 23:20

Isaiah 5:21,22

Luke 21:34,35

Romans 13:13,14

Ephesians 5:18,19

 

 

On Sun, 15 May 2005 10:56:15 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Is gluttony a sin? 

 
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just as with a rich man, all things  are possible in Christ.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   

Are fat Christians save

 

 

 

 

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