DAVEH: Kevin....did you inadvertently attribute the below posts to me
(DH) instead of DavidM (DM)?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DH This link does not give the full history and it has
misled you. Tischendorf
first saw the whole text in the trash can ready to be burned on his
first
trip. Read Tischendorf's account for yourself
Thanks for straightening that out.
DH Not all humans. I have never done that. Guys like
Joseph Smith and Thomas
Jefferson did it because they believed that the Bible had been
corrupted.
Not everyone who copied the Bible believed that it had been corrupted.
And this is exactly what happened to Aleph & B the two
oldest & best manuscripts. 10 different handwritings, words erased,
blotted out, words misssspeled, words squeezed in, scribes notes &
scribblings, AND BLANK Columns No other manuscripts are as defaced as
the two oldest and best manuscripts are. Why should they not go back in
the TRASH where they came from?
"Marcion the heretic, (AD 140) is
distinctly charged by Tertullian (AD 200), and by Jerome a century and
a half later, with having abundantly mutilated the text of Scripture,
and of S. Paul's Epistles in particular. Epiphanius compares the
writing which Marcion tampered with to a moth-eaten coat. "Instead of a
stylus," says Tertullian, "Marcion employed a knife. What wonder if he
omits syllables, since often he omits whole pages?" S. Paul's Epistle
to the Ephesians, Tertullian even singles out by name, accusing Marcion
of having furnished it with a new title." The Last Twelve Verses Of Mark, p 106
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Caroline
wrote:
> I wouldn't add words but some copyists did.
Those who add words either attempt to create their own version of the
Bible,
or they do so for their own personal use, much like many might write in
the
margins of their Bibles. Surely you recognize the difference between
this
and copying the Bible for the purpose of making another copy and
preserving
it. If nobody actually attempted to copy the Bible correctly, we would
not
have any consistency at all to the Bibles that we now have.
Do you understand my point that in regards to the paradigm of copying
the
Bible accurately, the more likely mistake would be to omit words rather
than
add words?
Certainly it would seem to me that if we have 5,000 texts which are
very
much alike, and two texts that are not alike, not even to each other,
but
happen to be olde r, we should tend toward the belief that the 5,000
texts
are probably more accurate than the two older texts. Do you have a
problem
with this kind of reasoning?
Caroline wrote:
> One of your president, Thomas Jefferson, separated out what
> he considered religious dogma and the supernatural from the
> ethical teachings of the bible to make his own bible.
Thomas Jefferson was a Deist. He did not believe in Jesus Christ as his
personal Savior. Jefferson did this for his own personal use. I don't
remember reading anywhere that he had ever tried to publish his Bible.
Do
you know otherwise?
Caroline wrote:
> Other people added words and phrases to incorporate their
> dogma into the work. That's just how humans are.
Not all humans. I have never done that. Guys like Joseph Smith and
Thomas
Jefferson did it because they believed that the Bible had been
corrupted.
Not everyone who copied the Bible believe d that it had been corrupted.
Caroline wrote:
> By the way, it was not the Codex Sinaiticus that von
> Tischendorf found in the garbage can, not that it's all
> that important. For the full history of the Codex,
> check out this site:
>
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/C/Co/Codex_Sinaiticus.htm
This link does not give the full history and it has misled you.
Tischendorf
first saw the whole text in the trash can ready to be burned on his
first
trip. Read Tischendorf's account for yourself and you will find that
this
is the case. The problem was that they would not give it to him because
he
was all excited about it. Later (I think about 15 years later), he saw
the
same manuscript again and this time was able to get it. Somebody had
apparently took it out of the trash can and kept it for all those
years.
Tischendorf himself says that this was probably because Tischendorf had
gotten all excited abou t it on his first trip and the monks perceived
that
it might be worth some money. Tischendorf had asked them to keep all
such
manuscripts safe when he might return again for them at a later date.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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