DAVEH: Sure....God does look like a man, Kevin. If Jesus
was the Son of man (Jn 3:13), then do you not think his Father in Heaven was
a Holy Man?
No; God is a Spirit (John 4:24) - Jesus took our
likeness upon Himself for a purpose. Psalm 91:4 speaks of God's
feathers and wings, do you suppose he looks like a bird/ a
chicken
DAVEH: Do you believe you have a spirit as well, Judy? Does
having a spirit change the way one looks? If you do not believe
God looks like a man, then what do you think he looks like??? Do you
believe Jesus is in the express image of his Father in Heaven? (Heb
1:3)
I believe that I am primarily a spirit being; I have
a soul, and I live in a body. Actually I don't know what God looks like, I
know Him spiritually and yes Jesus is the express image of the Father but who
in this generation has seen Jesus? Even the ones who walked with Him in
the flesh didn't always comprehend. Phillip wasn't understanding when he
said "show us the Father" ... and he walked with Jesus' physical body
daily.
And, if Jesus' physical body was in the form of a man, do you
not think his pre-mortal spiritual body may have been in a similar
form?
No; before he took a body upon Himself he was God
the Word who appeared in His preincarnate state as an angel, a cloud, fire, water from the rock. You can't
figure out God with a carnal mind Dave.
DAVEH: Do you believe it is important to understand the nature of
God, Judy?
His nature and character yes... We are to be
conformed to that.
To answer your last question....yes, many things are created in a
form before they become the actual entity. If we
were created in the image of God (Gen 1:26), and we will be like him when
he appears (1Jn 3:2), then does it not follow that God looks like a
man?
No; the "image of God" speaks of nature and
character. 1 John 3:2 is referring to holiness of character and walking in
love toward God, others, and ourselves.
DAVEH: Really?!?!?! So you would believe (don't let me
put words in your mouth) that we could have been born with 4 legs and a tail
and still been in the image of God?
God made everything after it's kind; I guess he could
have given us four legs and a tail if he wanted to; we would have been like
cartoon characters and Lance would have approved then - but he
didn't
You are trying to mix the spiritual with the
temporal. The temporal is passing away - only
the spiritual is eternal. Transformed bodies are part of it but this
does not mean that Good looks like a man.
He did not leave us any representation of Jesus, noone knows
what
he looks like other than he wasn't all that good
looking.
DAVEH: You are losing me on that one, Judy. Do you not
believe Jesus currently has a resurrected physical body that resembles that of
a man?
Yes I believe he has a transformed body that looks
somewhat like the natural one he had but not exactly because some did not
recognize him when he was back on earth for those 40+ days... and yes the body
looks like a man but as the ONLY begotten Son of God he sits at the RH of the
Father so this does not tell us what God the Father looks like does it?
God knows our frame, we are such idolaters that
we would do the same with him as Israel did
with the bronze serpent.
As for him being seen.....is there any
question about it? The passages that suggest one cannot see God
are obviously referring to those who are carnal, since there are Biblical
characters (such as Moses & Stephen) who did see God. Furthermore,
Gen 32:30 pretty much illustrates that holy men can see God, and live.
Was it not Jesus who said.......
Moses didn't see God, he only saw his hind parts
as he passed by and even that caused his face to shine so that he had to wear a veil before the ppl. Stephen had
a vision of Jesus standing at the RH of the Father but there is no
indication that he saw the face of God.
DAVEH: What difference does it make that Moses did not
see God's face. That wasn't the question.....Did Moses see God, and you
stipulated that he did......saw his hind parts
. So what's to debate.....Moses saw God and lived. God has
a body (you've stipulated Moses saw part of that body) which can be seen. Case
closed, is it not?
I thought you were trying to prove the scripture that
says "no man has seen God face to face" Wasn't that what you posted to begin
with? He Jacob said that because the
man he wrestled with represented God. Do you really think that God
Himself left his throne in heaven and came down to earth to wrestle with
Jacob? It was an angel.
DAVEH: Do you believe the hindparts Moses saw were God's hindparts,
or do you believe they were hindparts of an angel?
Well since Moses came down from Sinai with 10
Commandments written in stone with the finger of God, I would say it was God
he communed with on the mountain.
Probably another manifestation of Jesus in His
preincarnate state.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for
they shall see God. (Mt 5:8)
...........Do you
believe you can see God, Kevin? If not, perhaps you are not pure
enough in heart.
Takes more than presumptuous belief DaveH - It
takes a pure heart (that is what God calls pure)
DAVEH: You are losing me on this, Judy. So you
do believe those with a pure heart the
shall see God? If so, then why would you take issue with my
assertion that God has a body that can be seen?
Doesn't necessarily mean that these ppl will see
God visually; the pure in heart see Him with the eyes of the spirit
because their vision is clear - I expect they will encounter Him face to
face later ...
Kevin Deegan wrote:
So what would he look like? a man?
Can he be seen?
How can you be in the form of a man before you become a
man?
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
No Kevin, I am not joking. I believe the Bible teaches that
Jesus was the God of the OT before his birth (Jn 1:1-14)....I assume
you agree. >From Jn 4:24, you do believe God of the OT was a
spirit....is that correct, Kevin? Yet that spirit had the form
of a body similar to ours, as is evidenced by Gen 1:26-27 which
explains that we were created in his image. Furthermore, Paul
suggests Jesus is the express image of his Father. (Heb
1:3)
Moses even describes some of God's body
parts in Ex 33:20-23, and whose similitude he beheld as mentioned in
Num 12:18. Do you accept the literalness of these descriptions,
Kevin? If so, does what I said above make sense
now?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
How could he be God in the "form of a man" before he
became a man?
DAVEH:
God, in the form of a man consisting of a spirit being. Are
we in agreement on that, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
What was he before he "became a man"?
Hos 11:9 I am God, and not man; the Holy
One in the midst of thee
DAVEH: I
agree, Kevin. Jesus was not a man before he was born.
But, I believe he was literally the Son of Man.
When did that happen?.....after his birth. Not
only was he the Son of Man, but he himself became a
man, and was subsequently resurrected after his death when
his spirit body was united with a physical body of flesh and
bones to become an exalted man. With what part of this
do you disagree, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
If I incorrectly told you items about my
wife
Hair color, likes dislikes, how we met, where we
married, where she was born (it was not Jerusalem : )
She would not be pleased. Her desire is that I know
her.
God wants you to know him, He is a jealous God
He wants your love and affection.
If your description of Him is off, you are worshipping
a god of your own making
Hos 11:9 I am God, and
not man; the Holy One in the midst of
thee
--
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Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
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