Blaine says It is clear and consistent in all Mormon
doctrinal treatesies on this subject that 1) The man Adam
Tell Brigham, Taylor, Woodruff & Cannon! You just can't trust them
prohets ya know.
Seems that many LDs for many years have been TROUBLED by who is who.
But don't you worry. just ignore the contradictions. repeat after
me....
"I know the church is true, I know the Church is true....."
Spring 1895 General Conference Wilford Woodruff
Cease troubling yourselves
about who God is;
who Adam is, who Christ is, who Jehovah is. For heaven's sake, let
these things alone. Why trouble yourselves about these things? God has
revealed himself and
when the 121st section of the Doctrine and Covenants
is fulfilled, whether there be ONE God or many Gods they
will be revealed to the children of men, as well as all thrones and
dominions, principalities, and powers. Then why trouble
yourselves about these things? God is God. Christ is
Christ. The Holy Ghost is the Holy Ghost. That should be
enough for you and me to know. If we want to know anymore, wait
till we get where God is in person. I say this because we are
troubled every little while with inquiries from Elders anxious to
know who God is, who Christ is, and who Adam
is. I say to the Elders of Israel, stop this.
Humble yourselves before the Lord; seek for light, for truth, and for a
knowledge of the common things of the Kingdom of God. The Lord is the same
yesterday, today, and forever. He changes not. The Son of God is the same.
He is the Savior of the world. He is our advocate with the Father. We have
had letter after letter from Elders abroad wanting to know concerning these
things. Adam is the first man. He was placed in the Garden of Eden,
and is our great progenitor. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy
Ghost, are the same yesterday, today, and forever. That should be sufficient
to know. (Millennial Star 57:355-356, April 7, 1895)
April of 1889, George Q. Cannon General Conference: There are TWO personages, the Father and the
Son. God is the being who walked in the Garden of Eden, and
who talked
with the prophets. This revelation came to us
in certainty. (Millennial Star 51:278; April 7,
1889)
FATHER ADAM OUR GOD Brigham Young, in a
sermon in the tabernacle in Salt Lake City on April 9, 1852, said: "When our
Father Adam came into the garden
of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought
Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this
world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days, and about
whom holy men have written and spoken. He is our Father and our God, and the only
God with whom we have to do." Of "His son, Jesus Christ," Brigham
Young said: I tell you that God was the Father of Jesus Christ, just
as I am the Father of my son."
Some have grumbled because I believe our God so
near to us as Father Adam. (JD 5:331)
How much unbelief exists in the minds of the
Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine
which I revealed to them, and which God revealed to me -- namely that
Adam is our Father and God -- I do
not know, I do not inquire, I care nothing about it. Our Father
Adam helped to make this earth, it was created expressly for him, and after
it was made he and his companions came here. (Deseret Weekly News
22:308-309, June 18, 1873)
Michael (Adam) was a resurrected
being and he left Elohim and came to the earth with an
immortal body, and continued so till he partook of earthly food and
begat children who
were mortal (keep this to yourselves) and then they
died. (Wilford Woodruff Journal, January 27,
1860)
SSHHHHHH In the 1870 meeting of
the School of the Prophets, Brigham counseled: "
... the
brethren to meditate on the subject, pray about it and keep it to
yourselves." (Joseph F. Smith Journal,
October 15,
1870)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine: I guess I just can't resist breaking into an
interesting conversation!! Perry you are wrong when you say Mormons
believe Adam was both God-the-Father and Michael in the
pre-existance. It is clear and consistent in all Mormon doctrinal
treatesies on this subject that 1) The man Adam was Michael the
archangel in the pre-existence, 2) that Michael was third in order
of authority in the pre-existence. Both the Father and the Son were
above Michael in authority. Michael was the executive of the will of
the Father and the Son, you might say.
In a message dated 5/24/2005 8:01:49 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave,
If I am
"somewhat close", can you tell me the part I am wrong about? You
always say if I want to know what mormons believe, ask a
mormon...
Perry
>From: Dave Hansen
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>Reply-To:
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>To:
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>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] mormon
angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of
>Teaching LDS doctrine
on TT
>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 06:38:17
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>Charles Perry Locke
wrote:
>
>>Dave,
>>
>>
Christians consider angels and humans to be two distinct types of
>>created beings.
>
>DAVEH: Yes, I
understand that. Yet, it seems Paul is telling us that it
>is difficult (if not impossible) to tell us (mortals) apart from
angels.
>
>>Correct me if I am wrong, but don't mormons
consider angels to be either
>>pre-mortal or post-mortal
humans? For example, don't mormons consider
>>Michael (the
archangel) also to have been a human at one point...was it
>>Adam? Hasn't he also been considered to be the mormon god
the father? So,
>>basically, one being can be spirit, angel,
human, or god at various times.
>>Am I right on
this?
>
>DAVEH: You are somewhat
close.
>
>>
>>Perry
