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This is what I found to be the case many years ago.
I should like to hear from the resident Mormons on this, with
clarity.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: May 25, 2005 07:47
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon
angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...
LDS today, do not teach Adam-God and call it a theory in spite of brigham
calling it a doctrine.
They refuse to acknowledge it was ever tasught. Many offshoots have left
the church over this doctrine, called fundamentalists because they believe
Adam-god is a fundamental of the mormon faith. So LDS have been warned of this
"theory" Who is adam?
Kimball teaches Brigham is a FALSE TEACHER: In 1976, LDS
prophet and president Spencer Kimball told attendees of a Priesthood session
of Conference, �We warn you against the dissemination of doctrines which
are not according to the scriptures and which are alleged to have been taught
by some of the General authorities of past generations, such, for instance is
the Adam-God theory. We denounce that theory and hope that everyone will
be cautioned against this and other kinds of false doctrine.�
Brigham teaches Kimball is Damned: �Now, let all who
may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them
with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation." 1852
brigham young on Adam god JoD v1 p51
Judy Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Why does the Mormon Church mess with the Bible at
all? May just as well toss it for it loses all credibility
in
the light of their prophetical voices and other
teachings. This stuff is occult. jt
Blaine says It is clear and consistent in all Mormon
doctrinal treatesies on this subject that 1) The man Adam
Tell Brigham, Taylor, Woodruff & Cannon! You just can't trust
them prohets ya know.
Seems that many LDs for many years have been TROUBLED by who is who.
But don't you worry. just ignore the contradictions. repeat after
me....
"I know the church is true, I know the Church is true....."
Spring 1895 General Conference Wilford Woodruff
Cease troubling yourselves
about who God is;
who Adam is, who Christ is, who Jehovah is. For heaven's sake, let
these things alone. Why trouble yourselves about these things? God has
revealed himself and
when the 121st section of the Doctrine and
Covenants is fulfilled, whether there be ONE God or many
Gods they will be revealed to the children of men, as well as all
thrones and dominions, principalities, and powers. Then why
trouble yourselves about these things? God is God. Christ
is Christ. The Holy Ghost is the Holy Ghost. That should be
enough for you and me to know. If we want to know anymore,
wait till we get where God is in person. I say this because we are
troubled every little while with inquiries from Elders anxious to
know who God is, who Christ is, and who Adam
is. I say to the Elders of Israel, stop this.
Humble yourselves before the Lord; seek for light, for truth, and for a
knowledge of the common things of the Kingdom of God. The Lord is the same
yesterday, today, and forever. He changes not. The Son of God is the same.
He is the Savior of the world. He is our advocate with the Father. We have
had letter after letter from Elders abroad wanting to know concerning
these things. Adam is the first man. He was placed in the Garden of
Eden, and is our great progenitor. God the Father, God the Son, and God
the Holy Ghost, are the same yesterday, today, and forever. That should be
sufficient to know. (Millennial Star 57:355-356, April 7, 1895)
April of 1889, George Q. Cannon General Conference: There are TWO personages, the Father and the
Son. God is the being who walked in the Garden of Eden,
and who talked
with the prophets. This revelation came
to us in certainty. (Millennial Star 51:278; April 7,
1889)
FATHER ADAM OUR GOD Brigham Young, in a
sermon in the tabernacle in Salt Lake City on April 9, 1852, said: "When
our Father Adam came into the
garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body,
and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and
organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of
Days, and about whom holy men have written and spoken. He is our Father and our God, and
the only God with whom we have to do." Of "His son, Jesus
Christ," Brigham Young said: I tell you that God was the Father of
Jesus Christ, just as I am the Father of my son."
Some have grumbled because I believe our God so
near to us as Father Adam. (JD 5:331)
How much unbelief exists in the minds of the
Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular
doctrine which I revealed to them, and which God revealed
to me -- namely that Adam is our Father and
God -- I do not know, I do not inquire, I care
nothing about it. Our Father Adam helped to make this earth, it
was created expressly for him, and after it was made he and his
companions came here. (Deseret Weekly News 22:308-309, June 18,
1873)
Michael (Adam) was a resurrected
being and he left Elohim and came to the earth with an
immortal body, and continued so till he partook of earthly food
and begat children who
were mortal (keep this to yourselves) and then
they died. (Wilford Woodruff Journal, January 27,
1860) SSHHHHHH In the 1870 meeting
of the School of the Prophets, Brigham counseled: " ...
the brethren to meditate on the subject, pray about it and keep it to
yourselves." (Joseph F. Smith Journal,
October 15,
1870)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine: I guess I just can't resist breaking into an
interesting conversation!! Perry you are wrong when you say
Mormons believe Adam was both God-the-Father and Michael in the
pre-existance. It is clear and consistent in all Mormon doctrinal
treatesies on this subject that 1) The man Adam was Michael the
archangel in the pre-existence, 2) that Michael was third in order
of authority in the pre-existence. Both the Father and the Son
were above Michael in authority. Michael was the executive of the
will of the Father and the Son, you might say.
In a message dated 5/24/2005 8:01:49 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave,
If I am
"somewhat close", can you tell me the part I am wrong about? You
always say if I want to know what mormons believe, ask a
mormon...
Perry
>From: Dave Hansen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To:
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>To:
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>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] mormon
angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of
>Teaching LDS
doctrine on TT
>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 06:38:17
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>
>Charles Perry Locke
wrote:
>
>>Dave,
>>
>>
Christians consider angels and humans to be two distinct types of
>>created beings.
>
>DAVEH: Yes, I
understand that. Yet, it seems Paul is telling us that it
>is difficult (if not impossible) to tell us (mortals) apart
from angels.
>
>>Correct me if I am wrong, but don't
mormons consider angels to be either
>>pre-mortal or
post-mortal humans? For example, don't mormons consider
>>Michael (the archangel) also to have been a human at one
point...was it
>>Adam? Hasn't he also been considered to be
the mormon god the father? So,
>>basically, one being can be
spirit, angel, human, or god at various times.
>>Am I right
on this?
>
>DAVEH: You are somewhat
close.
>
>>
>>Perry
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