David, and Dave,
Dave states that he is "not here [on TT] to learn the truth...he is here
to learn what protestants think, and why". While not part of his "pat"
statement about why he is on TT, he also said that he is not here tio
convert anyone to mormonism or to teach mormonism.
I believe that Dave is genuine about his stated reasons for being here.
Most of the time, Dave answers questions about his faith when asked, and
that presents no problem at all.
Sometimes Dave will ask someone what "protestants" believe. They will
answer him honestly and forthrightly. Dave will then begin to DEBATE what
they believe by interject unsolicited mormon doctrine, sometimes
socratically. Again, I have no problems with his doing this.
However, when I say, "Dave, you have said that you are not here to teach
mormon doctrine", which is what he is doing when he introduces mormon
doctrine in rebuttal to a question he has asked to "learn what protestants
think", he denies it.
Now, he may "say" that he is not here to teach mormon doctrine, and that
may indeed not by "why" he is here. But, when confronted with the fact that
he said he is not here to TEACH mormon doctrine but is, in fact TEACHING
mormon doctrine, I have a problem with that. To me it is not being genuine.
All Dave has to do is admit that at times he teaches mormon doctrine on TT.
It is the fact that he sometimes teaches mormon doctrine, but denies that he
does so, that I am complaining about.
Furthermore, he has taken my comlpaint and TWISTED it to mean that I
object to his teaching mormon doctrine. That has never been my argument. It
is a lie for him to twist it that way. He can teach ALL the mormon doctrine
he wishes...I would just like for him to stop denying it and admit that is
what he is doing.
Case in point. Blaine makes no qualms about proudly presenting his mormon
beliefs, and that has NEVER bothered me...because BLAINE NEVER MADE THE
STATEMENT THAT HE IS NOT TEACHING MORMON DOCTRINE on TT.
Perry
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic
Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:51:42 -0400
Dave Hansen wrote:
> To me it remains a no win situation when it is implied
> that I am a liar for responding to questions about my beliefs.
>From my perspective, if a member implies you are a liar for responding to
questions about your belief, that member is mistaken. You have made your
case, and even if the person you have made your case with does not accept
your arguments, don't presume that the rest of us don't.
It seems to me that you don't want to answer Perry until he acknowledges
that you are being honest about your motivations for being here. I would
encourge Perry to acknowledge this, but even if he disagrees with both you
and me, wouldn't it be ok to go ahead and answer him and still stick by
your
position of honesty?
One question you might answer that could help resolve this with Perry is,
do
you ever have any thoughts of possibly converting any of us to Mormonism?
You ought to understand that evangelism is important to many evangelicals.
Most non-Mormons on this list probably hope to influence you away from
Mormonism, so it is natural for them to assume that you hope to move some
of
us toward accepting Mormonism. Can you be honest about your feelings
concerning this with us, or do you never think about your influence upon us
in regards to Mormonism? I personally suspect this might be a secondary
reason you have for being here, and acknowledging such might help Perry
relate to you better. On the other hand, if moving us toward Mormonism
really never enters your mind, that would be interesting for us to know.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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