What is the rest of the story Dave?
Which led to those spirits that were less valiant were cursed with a BLACK SKIN
You left that out Dave!
THE SEED OF CAIN: "were more valiant than others�Those who were less valiant in pre-existence and who thereby had certain spiritual restrictions imposed upon them during mortality are known to us as the negroes. Such spirits are sent to earth through the lineage of Cain, the mark put upon him for his rebellion against God and his murder of Abel being a black skin...The present status of the negro rests purely and simply on the foundation of pre-existence" (Mormon Doctrine, p.527, 1966 ed.).
"Joseph Smith had declared that the Negroes were not neutral in heaven, for all the spirits took sides, but 'the posterity of Cain are black because he (Cain) committed murder. He killed Abel and God set a mark upon his posterity'" (The Improvement Era, Joseph Fielding Smith, p.105).
Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote, "It was well understood by the early elders of the Church that the mark which was placed on Cain and which his posterity inherited was the black skin. The Book of Moses informs us that Cain and his descendants were black" (The Way to Perfection, p.107).
BLOOD ATONEMENT: Young stated, "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so" (Journal of Discourses, 10:110).
The prophets are a bunch of Old White RACISTS!
Blacks could not hold priesthood office until 1978
Fielding �Millions of souls have come into this world cursed with a black skin and have been denied the privilege of priesthood and the fullness of the blessings of the gospel. These are the descendants of Cain.�
�they shall have been made to feel their inferiority and have been separated from the rest of mankind from the beginning. ..We will also hope that blessings may eventually be given our Negro Brethren, for they are our Brethren-children of God-Not withstanding their black covering emblematical of eternal darkness.�
Get right get white
Until 1981 2 Nephi 30:6 in the Book of Mormon "...their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people."
IN 1981 THE MOST CORRECTED BOOK ON EARTH changed WHITE to pure!
3 Nephi 2:15 "And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites."
Spencer W. Kimball said that Indian converts "are fast becoming a white and delightsome people." (Improvement Era, December 1960, pp. 922-23)
Any dark skinned apostles or Prophets in the church, yet?
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH: No Judy....I am not kidding, though I may have chosen better words (counsel) to describe it.
When God spoke as recorded in Genesis (1:26), he seemed to be discussing the creation with others......
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:.....
.......I believe this was directly (and pretty much literally) a reference as to what was said at that planning session, or counsel. Job also referred to such a meeting (1:6).......
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
.......which also addresses Kevin's comment carrying negative connotations.........
And Satan was a committee member!
.........Yes, I believe Satan was also present at that counsel. His unruly behavior led to a war in heaven, and his subsequent expulsion. Regarding your comment to Blaine, Judy.......
Blaine scripture teaches nothing about any pre-existence so it is all a figment of someone's imagination.
.......I would respectfully disagree, as I believe there is plenty of evidence recorded in the Bible of the pre-existence.
Judy Taylor wrote:Planning sessions? Tell me you are kidding DaveH ... Like God is a committee and needs input? Also my Bible says that the Holy Spirit is the executor of the will of the Father and the Word who became the Son. jtOn Wed, 25 May 2005 00:06:20 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:DAVEH: FWIW.....I agree with what you explained below, Blaine. But I've always thought LDS theology allows that Adam was a God in the pre-mortal existence, inasmuch as he was one of the key players (as you indicated below) who sat in on the planning sessions (so to speak) of the plan of salvation, and then was a/the pivotal character in implementing the gospel. Is that how you understand Adam's role/status, Blaine?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Blaine: I guess I just can't resist breaking into an interesting conversation!! Perry you are wrong when you say Mormons believe Adam was both God-the-Father and Michael in the pre-existance. It is clear and consistent in all Mormon doctrinal treatesies on this subject that 1) The man Adam was Michael the archangel in the pre-existence, 2) that Michael was third in order of authority in the pre-existence. Both the Father and the Son were above Michael in authority. Michael was the executive of the will of the Father and the Son, you might say.In a message dated 5/24/2005 8:01:49 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Dave,
If I am "somewhat close", can you tell me the part I am wrong about? You
always say if I want to know what mormons believe, ask a mormon...
Perry
>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of
>Teaching LDS doctrine on TT
>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 06:38:17 -0700
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>Charles Perry Locke wrote:
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>>Dave,
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>> Christians consider angels and humans to be two distinct types of
>>created beings.
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>DAVEH: Yes, I understand that. Yet, it seems Paul is telling us that it
>is difficult (if not impossible) to tell us (mortals) apart from angels.
>
>>Correct me if I am wrong, but don't mormons consider angels to be either
>>pre-mortal or post-mortal humans? For example, don't mormons consider
>>Michael (the archangel) also to have been a human at one point...was it
>>Adam? Hasn't he also been considered to be the mormon god the father? So,
>>basically, one being can be spirit, angel, human, or god at various times.
>>Am I right on this?
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>DAVEH: You are somewhat close.
>
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>>Perry-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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