Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

[Lance Muir]

Ask a Mormon. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 25, 2005 15:28 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT What you find to be the plain meaning of something is not necessarily what another thoughtful believe might find.   It is a lie that you teach. You may not have a clue what is true, but rest assured through the promise & revelation of Jesus Christ, we can know the TRUTH. I know the TRUTH when I see it, unlike you who could not identify it if you saw it. Postmodern Relativism is a bunch of bunk   Please give me an alternate interpratation of this, should be easy: What is the "PLAIN MEANING" in your mind? John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Christine:Please! One need not disregard the Bible to believe anything. One need only disregard your interpretation. What you find to be the plain meaning of something is not necessarily what another thoughtful believe might find. Agreed? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: May 25, 2005 13:36 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT > http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/witnessing/terminology.htm > > What a wakeup call. I followed this link and found > this: > > JESUS CHRIST: > > LDS--A created being, the first spirit child of Elohim > and one of his wives, the spirit brother of Lucifer > the devil. > > So Jesus and Satan are BROTHERS? I thought Jesus was > my brother: Romans 8:29, "For whom he did foreknow, he > also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of > his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many > brethren." Paul is clearly talking about our adoption > by God the Father, who becomes our Father when we > "receive" His son (John 1:12) when he says earlier in > verse 19: "For as many as are led by the Spirit of > God, they are the sons of God." Lucifer is not led by > God's Spirit. He is engages in warfare against God's > Spirit. And he certainly has not received Jesus. > > To believe these things, one must first disregard the > Bible. > > Blessings, > > Christine > > --- Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > There was a significant word game going on when I > > first arrived on this forum. LDS using words that > > seemed intended to cloak the true LDS understanding. > > I think the christians here have a far better > > understanding of mormonism now then in past years > > > > There are words that are familiar to christians that > > have a different meaning to LDS > > Word Christian LDS meaning > > Gentile NON Jew - NON LDS > > angel created spirit being - ressurected man > > Virgin birth > > Gospel > > Fall bad -good > > Jesus Christ > > Godhead Trinity - committee composed of gods > > including SATAN > > council in heaven - The meeting in the premortal > > life of the Godhead and spirits designated for this > > earth, in which the plan of salvation was presented. > > > > > http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/premortal/Council_EOM.htm > > At a certain point in the council, the Father asked, > > "Whom shall I send [as the Redeemer]?" Jesus Christ, > > known then as the great I AM and as Jehovah, > > answered, "Here am I, send me," and agreed to follow > > the Father's plan (Moses 4:1-4; Abr. 3:27). As a > > counter-measure, Lucifer offered himself and an > > amendment to the Father's plan of saving mankind > > that would not respect their agency > > > > > http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/witnessing/terminology.htm > > > > > > Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > David, Dave is smarter than you are giving him > > credit for being. He knows > > what he is doing. He is playing a word game. I have > > no problem with him > > pushing his mormon views into the discussions > > here...I just want him to > > acknowledge that is what he is doing. He is > > intentionally misinterpreting > > this as my not wanting him to espouse mormonism on > > the forum. That is NOT my > > goal. My goal is to get him to own his actions. To > > say he is NOT pushing > > mormonism, then push it anyway is disengenuous. > > Then, to turn it around as > > though I do not welcome his mormon views is a lie. > > > > Perry > > > > >From: "David Miller" > > >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. > > was: Dave uses Socratic > > >Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT > > >Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:09:31 -0400 > > > > > >DaveH wrote: > > > > Apparently many TTers want me to teach LDS > > theology on > > > > TT, yet some wish to criticize me for complying > > with their wishes. > > > > Seems like a no win situation, eh Lance. > > > > > >Let me clarify yet again what TruthTalk is all > > about and Dave Hansen's > > >situation in regards to this forum. > > > > > >TruthTalk is meant to be a forum where people from > > different religions and > > >different backgrounds can share their beliefs and > > teachings with the rest > > >of > > >us.. We, in turn, can judge what they teach and > > examine it. We can raise > > >objections or questions concerning what is being > > said. The goal is > > >learning > > >and getting a better undertanding of both what we > > believe and what others > > >believe. > > > > > >Dave Hansen is LDS Mormon and he has as much right > > here as anybody else to > > >teach or post his views. In like manner, his > > teachings will be examined > > >and > > >questioned by others. This is the nature of the > > forum. I would not say > > >that it is a "no win situation" just because a > > person's viewpoint is > > >criticized in this forum. If you share your views, > > expect some examination > > >and perhaps criticism if someone thinks that the > > viewpoint deserves such. > > > > > >Now in regards to the question of why DaveH is > > here. I have read both Dave > > >and Perry's exchange on this, and personally I find > > Dave's reasons for > > >being > > >here consistent. He has an interest in knowing what > > Protestants believe > > >and > > >why. He interacts with us, and in doing so, is > > questioned about his > > >beliefs. He responds to such questions in a way > > that he is comfortable. > > >Often the exchange hits a dead end, and some > > TruthTalk members get > > >frustrated with that (me included), but I don't > > think that means that his > > >reasons for being here are not being stated > > properly. Some have > > >interpreted > > >him to be implying that he wants to become a > > Protestant if he hears good > > >answers for what Protestants believe, but I have > > never understood him that > > >way. He is simply curious and has an academic > > interest in what motivates > > >us > > >and what makes us who we are. I'm sure Christians > > not affiliated with a > > >major institution seems very strange to him. His > > life is centered around > > >an > > >institution of authority. That is the kind of > > structure he is use to and > > >is > > >comfortable with. Many of us reject such > > institutions. I think Dave is > > >still trying to understand why and how this is. I > > suspect it would be > > >easier for him to understand us if we were all > > Roman Catholic. > > > > > >Peace be with you. > > >David Miller. > > > > > > > > >---------- > > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned > > with salt, that you may > > >know how you ought to answer every man." > > (Colossians 4:6) > > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, > > send an email to > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be > > unsubscribed. If you have a > > >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an > > e-mail to > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be > > subscribed. > > > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with > > salt, that you may know how you ought to answer > > every man." 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