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JD: A redundant question on the Pauls part; the correct answer to both
questions is the "hearing with faith" as opposed to the works (obedience) of the
Law. I think "He" is God, but I will give you Paul for the sake of
argument -- How did Paul provide you with the Spirit and the working
of miracles -- through the works of the Law or by the hearing
with
faith. My point is the same. jt: Yes the Spirit of God works the miracles but he
works through men.
JD: They were SPIRIT-FILLED, Judy and yet, Paul saw only danger in their
return to the law. These folk are converted
Gentiles. They are not Jews. Yet, there are those who would
drag them back into a life of compliance to the Law.
jt: How can you be sure they were all Gentiles; all we
know is that they lived in Galatia. The Judaizers were pretty busy, in fact they
stirred up trouble everywhere Paul went giving him a reputation. They
taught that it was Jesus plus these ppl had reverted back to Judaism and
Galatians 3:3 explains his meaning "Are you so foolish? having begun in the
Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh? So the contrast is between flesh
and spirit, rather than God's Law and Christ.
JD: The "flesh" in this passage is the Law. Context Judy,
context. They had the power -- and Paul is saying, do not
choose law over Spirit.
jt: No, he is exhorting them to get out of the flesh
and back into walking after the Spirit, this says nothing about the Law.
JD: Nothing? !! The whole book is about the Law and foolishness of
seeking to live under its bondage -- something spirit-filled
Galatians are encouraged to reject. The whole book, Judy.
jt: I don't agree JD; at the end of the book of
Galatians in Chapter 5 Paul contrasts the works of the flesh with the fruit of
the Spirit. He says nothing at all about God's Law, nothing!!!!
JD: Your gospel would tell these folks, �Use the power of the indweeling
that you have received, to fulfill the Law. Do not reject what God
has given !! Embrace it and live it out in the power of the Holy
Ghost.� None of that is found in the letter - yet this is your
message. Snip snip, Judy.
jt: No JD, my gospel would not tell these ppl anything
of the sort; lawless ppl are not living by the power of the Holy Ghost, they are
off on their own, doing their own thing.
JD: The really bad news in all this is found in this fact: to be justified by Law is to be fallen from grace. jt: Just walking in the flesh while trying to be good "religious" folk is the same thing because there is no faith in that either. The Levitical system is finished and gone ... but
trusing in the works of the flesh is one and the same. Opinions of man mixed
with a Bible.
JD: Keep the law, if you will DM -- as for me and my
house, we will serve the Lord. The Bishop
jt: Impossible to be lawless and ATST serve the Lord JD. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Also if you are trusting in the "incarnation" or "perichoresis" you
are not any better off ...
JD: The Incarnation is the story and purpose and continued effect of the Christ in my (our) life. To think otherwise is heretical at best, and heretical in the lest. jt: According to who? I don't see Paul preaching
or teaching that doctrine anywhere in Acts or the Epistles. To be talking
Christ and walking in the flesh makes you no better off than the "foolish
Galatians" and this has nothing to do with God's Law other than the mind of the
flesh is an enemy of Gods and cannot please Him. You need the mind of the
Spirit and to walk after the Spirit so that you don't fulfill the lust of the
flesh.
JD: Of course. What does this have to do with anything. If you
are giving me personal instruction, I accept it. Is this a personal
observation: "To be talking Christ and walking in the flesh makes you (me)
no better that the 'foolish Galatians." You have changed the subject to
something persona, which I really don't mind but what? !!
jt: I haven't changed the subject, nor am I giving you
personal instruction JD. Scripture is scripture and it says the same to all of
us. We are to "examine ourselves" to see if we are in the faith. It
doesn't happen by osmosis. jt
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