Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

Tue, 31 May 2005 20:41:18 -0700

If I respond, Canada may very well secede from the Union !!  And we wouldn't want to function without the Good Bishop from the North  (He is the one who has the full set of teeth). 
 
Jd 
 
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From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:36:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

jd must have had another attack of TYPOglycemia, It has now progressed to MEMORYglycemia!

> John wrote:
> > The fact of the matter is this: you can never present a post in which you copied my words. That is the  fact of the matter.
>
> That is not the fact of the matter, that is the lie of the matter. I
> brought up a post dated May 26 in which I copied your words exactly as you
> wrote them. Your response to my taking time to produce that post was: "I
> have already ended this discussion, David. Check precious post."
>
> Copied below is that post where you failed to consider the evidence.
>
> David.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]< BR>> Sent: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:03:12 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments
>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> I quoted you exactly as you wrote it
>
> John wrote:
> > The very next sentence is EXACTLY what I said.
>
> John wrote:
> >> I wrote: Knowing you are right in some esoteric way
> >> is a fantasy of the first order.
>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> That is exactly how I quoted you John.
> >> Go back and look at the post.
>
> John wrote:
> > You go back. I already did and the result is the
> > very next sentence.
>
> John wrote:
> >> You wrote: "You claim we can't know anything"
>
> This last sentence is not my quote of you. It is my communication to you
of
> what I understood you to be saying. It is new content. I precede quotes
> with ">" symbols. You asked me to go back and look at the post to see
tha t
> I did not quote you correctly. Well, I did go back and look, thinking
maybe
> I had a problem with my memory and owed you an apology, but instead I
found
> that you were wrong. I did quote you correctly. Look closely at the
second
> paragraph in the quote below. However, I do not want to continue this
> discussion. We have a new moderator now and we need to get back on the
> right foot of discussing interesting subjects, not playing word games of
you
> said / he said / she said. If you have anything more to say on this
thread
> (like maybe an apology to me!), please take it private so we don't bore
the
> rest of the list. I'm not holding my breath because I don't remember you
> ever admitting to being wrong. I have already ended this discussion,
David.
> Check precious post.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>< BR>> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation
>
>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> I would think from comments you have made that your
> >> position would be that there is a little bit of doubt in all
> >> of us. Am I mistaken about that?
>
> John wrote:
> > Yes ...
> > Knowing you are right in some esoteric way
> > is a fantasy of the first order.
>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> You claim that this teaching of Christ does not
> >> include us. From my perspective, this emanates
> >> from doubt and unbelief.
>
> John wrote:
> > Soooo, if one disagrees with you, the
> > problem is always one of doubt and disbelief?
>
> If I am speaking truth, yes, but the real point is that when somebody
> disagrees with Christ, the reason is doubt and unbelief.
>
> John wrote:
> > When you disagree with me, David, it is
> > because you are wrong !! That'what I think.
>
> How can I be wrong if knowing you are right is a fantasy? You are filled
> with contradictions here that make further conversation impossible without
> first resolving the issue of whether or not we can know anything.
>
> When I say that your perspective seems to be that there is a little doubt
> and unbelief in all of us, you disagree. Yet, you then turn around and
> claim that knowing we are right about something is a fantasy. You can't
> have it both ways. We obviously have a huge disconnect here in regards to
> our terms of knowledge, knowing, doubt, and unbelief. You must be working
> from some other definitions of these words or you are a completely
> irrational person.
>
> John wrote:
> > It never has crossed my mind that you
> > were one of doubt and disbeleif.
>
> Well, you should be thinking of me that way, because I have quite a bit of
> doubt and unbelief. If I did not, I would be walking on water and doing
> many of the other things that Jesus said those who believed upon him would
> do (John 14:12).
>
> John wrote:
> > Guaranteed I am not.
>
> And you think I am arrogant and you are not? This is one of the most
> arrogant statements I have ever heard on TruthTalk.
>
> If you know any way to explain what doubt and unbelief and knowledge mean
to
> you, please try. We have grossly different understandings of these words.
> You claim we can't know anything and yet at the same time not have doubt
and
> unbelief. When my mind hears that, it reacts like that robot on "Lost in
> Space" saying, "It does not compute." [I borrowed from my childhood
> memories of "Lost in Space" just for Lance. :-)]
>
> I would like to discuss this subject further, but cannot until you define
> the term s doubt, unbelief, knowledge, faith, and explain the relationship
> between doubt and unbelief to knowledge and faith. There are connections
> between these words that are very important for how I understand our
> relationship to the Word (the Logos, Christ, Scripture, etc.).
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
>
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