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----- Original Message -----
Sent: May 31, 2005 14:54
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the
Spirit
I like what he says about the Law and
the Incarnation, and the Law as code vs the Law as God's word (part of the
true story/plot of God's action).
Just to pick up on the last thing he says: There is
something about the narrative view, the (NT Wright's) "royal proclamation"
view of the gospel and its preaching, as opposed to the "system whereby people
get saved" view, that also enhances a recognition of the
connection/continuity between oneself and the original disciples. In the false
view, it is as if we have each read the ad and then written in for the product
to be shipped by mail to us from the warehouse. In the (W)right view, it is news
we have received at first hand (from the person who told us) and
at the same time ultimately at nth hand (from the original disciples); or,
it is like receiving the shockwave from an explosion but conducted through the
medium of persons. I remember feeling this continuity once when receiving
communion from the hand of another believer. I don't know if this is in Gary's
mind, but it is in mine as I read that last sentence.
There was something else directly related to this
that was on the edge of my brain but disappeared while I wrote the
above.
D
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:05
AM
Subject: Fw: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Judy
and John on the Law and the Spirit
----- Original Message -----
Sent: May 31, 2005 09:37
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the
Spirit
the issue of
'discipleship' is at the core and crossroads of numerous issues on the TT
table; e.g.,
the
observation, below, is accurate in its NT context but 'following' JC today
requires redefining discipleship per se...it's not that the NT fails
to make this point; Jesus himself realizes that people (will) trust him
implicitly whom have never 'met' him..it follows that among modern
practioners of religion are those who abuse his term 'disciple',
partic through literalizing it; the/ir abuse turns in part on
incorporating JC directly into their preexisting value system never having
literally 'followed' him anywhere--nor, if confronted with the
reality would they prefer to anyway..where the normative preexisting
value system is religious legalism, JC, acc to the NT obliterates it, the
abuse/s of the Law, but not the Law as God's word--in JCs view, God
designed the Law of Moses for the cultural well being of its historic
adherents; however, its role changes as history changes--the point is that
history changed through the Incarnation (like 'I and the Father are
one') which legalist religionists despise; from Incarnation(al
theology) on, legalism's exposed, its inherent weaknesses delineated, its
abuses obliterated; basically, JC did this 'work' (of grace) partic for
his closest associates--e.g., i know what he has done for me in part because
of what he did for (e.g.) the Ap John and the Ap Paul--the three of
us are JCs associates, but only one of us was his 'disciple' per
se, the Ap John...
The return to law is a favorite pastime of so many well meaning
disciples..
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