JD wrote:
I believe she confirmed this in one of her responses.
Actually, I have never confirmed this. But I will now, according to how the Bible says it is done.
All I know is what the word of God says, confirmed by the Spirit in my life. And the word says in Hebrews 10:17-18, that where the remission of sin is, there is no more offering for sin. I don't know how to cartwheel around that one, JD. I think it would be wrong to split the Word into loopholes.
Paul goes on to say that we may now pass through the second veil boldly, drawing near with a "true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water." We are washed once, not over and over again. The over and over again stuff happened before Christ's death.
Hebrews 6:6 - For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
I don't know the full meaning of all of this, but I can't ignore scripture. I would welcome wisdom here from other TT members, because I don't really know. But this is what the Bible says about it.
I think one thing that makes this hard to swallow for JD & Co. is my language. I don't say "sinless" to mean infallible. I do believe Christians led by the Spirit will make mistakes while they are babes in Christ. Not sin. We are to know the father's mind, and as we learn we mature into higher levels of righteousness, and higher levels of responsibility to the Lord.
So, did Jesus only die for our past sins? Well, it seems we can't sacrifice him again. So we leave our sin behind.
Blessings
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Kevin -- I gave "my understanding" of her view. I believe she confirmed this in one of her responses. She can correct my thinking of her thinking anytime --- now, go back to the chalk board and finish writing "I will domonstrate my Godly affection for brother John by actually giving him the benefit of the doubt -- 300 times by sunset.Jd
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From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:24:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] We Sinners
Starw man alert:Whenever JD starts describing what others believe WATCH OUT.Christine, and perhaps you, believe that Christ's Sacrifice was for past sins, only
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I understand the context of her statement to be thus: Christ died for past sins way back when; and after she accepted Him in whatever way and received benefit from that sacrifice, God somehow empowered her to live a life, thereafter, without sin. The sacrifice no longer applies because of the double jeopardy rule she apparently has in regard to the Sacrifice............ "we cannot crucify the Son of God afresh."I do not know anyone who believe this. "Numbers" of believers makes no difference as to "truth," I know. But this point of view IS not mainstream Christianity.One of her (theological) problems is her concept of sin. A second issue is her thinking about the Sacrifice and her version of "limited atonement," where Christine, and perhaps you, believe that Christ's Sacrifice was for past sins, only (and how is that different from the sacrifice of bulls and goats?), while others believe that the Sacrifice was for ALL SIN over the course of ALL TIME.JD
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From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
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Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:04:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] We Sinners
Christine writes:Absolutely. Christ died once. We cannot crucify Him again for our sins, so that means a single, thorough
washing. If we were not clean and pure and holy children, He would have to sacrifice Himself again.
You see, I must beleive this. I still don't fully understand exactly how this works, but I must accept
it. The fact is, we cannot crucify the Son of God afresh.JD responds:this is probably one of the most incredible statements from a Christian that I have seen inprint. Help me out, here. You cannot posilby argue that you have committed no sin sinceaccepting Jesus into your life. Why is that not in conflict with what you say above?Goodnes < SPAN class=correction id="">JD - where have you been and what kind of Christians have you been around that believingscripture should be so "incredible"? Apparently Christine believes Hebrews 10:26,27 and Romans 8:1,2which is not all that incredible because I believe them too. jt
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