If G using the word dualism to mean
paradox, he is doing a poor job of it. God’s word is full of paradox.
Fact of life. Accept it. Izzy
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I am not sure why I am being addressed here.
As I see it, this is a discussion group. Gary's purpose probably does NOT go to "mumbo jumbo." His
personal motivation should not be the big question. The truth of
what he said should.
Perhaps we use "dualism" differently from Mr. G
-- and my guess is that G's view may be more in line with reality than
ours. I understand that "dualism" is often used of two
opposing forces, influences or philosophies. Flesh verse Spirit is
an example. We know that these coexist (Eph 4:15ff) presenting all of us with the same circumstance -- to
one degree or another. Perhaps G can present a fuller definition pr
explanation of the "dualism" of which
he writes.
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From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
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Sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2005
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dead to Sin
JD, here
is one more example of theological mumbo
jumbo; conceit or egoism is
sin - It is part of the old flesh nature that we are to "reckon dead"
when we walk after the Spirit in Christ apparently Gary sees obedience to God's
Word in this as philosophical dualism and his demigod Dylan calls it a
disease. In our culture the popular thinking is that if it is a 'disease'
then noone is really
responsible because it is just like diabetes - so go figure. And you say
the gang of four has the problem? jt
..a reason
Christians are not 'perfect' emerges in Petrine thought (1., ch5) where it's exhorted 'humble yourselves' (plural--no
exceptions)
to Peter, 'conceit'
is chronic
chronic conceit
occurs in Christ as Petrine thought supposes, germane to 'humble yourselves'
humility--confronting
chronic conceit 'under the mighty hand of God'--is elemental to 'suffering' (to Peter also in 1, ch.5)
Petrine humility and
suffering today occur in eschatological tension only with JC's life style--and, the poet, below, Bob Dylan, is
conscious of JC among us, JC the absolute prerequisite (for) humility
also, for
Dylan, 'suffering' with Peter and his adherants, in Christ, is not Evil along the
mental axis of Good, thus Dylan
(correspondingly)defies philosophical dualism, which, in these lyrics, he sees as the bedrock of
chronic conceit
yep, like Peter, he 'sees' that..
..humility is the blessing we receive from God's
[constant] gracious intervention.
There's a whole
lot of people suffering tonight
From
the _disease of conceit_.
Whole
lot of people struggling tonight
From
the disease of conceit.
Comes
right down the highway,
Straight
down the line,
Rips
into your senses
Through
your body and your mind.
Nothing
about it that's sweet,
The
disease of conceit.
There's a whole
lot of hearts breaking tonight
From
the disease of conceit,
Whole
lot of hearts shaking tonight
From
the disease of conceit.
Steps
into your room,
Eats
your soul,
Over
your senses
You
have no control.
Ain't
nothing too discreet
About
of disease of conceit.
There's a whole
lot of people dying tonight
From
the disease of conceit,
Whole
lot of people crying tonight
From
the disease of conceit,
Comes
right out of nowhere
And
you're down for the count
From
the outside world,
The
pressure will mount,
Turn
you into a piece of meat,
The
disease of conceit.
Conceit is a
disease
That
the doctors got no cure
They've
done a lot of research on it
But
what it is, they're still not sure
There's a whole
lot of people in trouble tonight
From
the disease of conceit,
Whole
lot of people seeing double tonight
From
the disease of conceit,
Give
ya delusions of
grandeur
And
a evil eye
Give
you idea that
You're
too good to die,
Then
they bury you from your head to your feet
From
the disease of conceit.
Bob Dylan
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