jt JD you are disingenious from the start. While
claiming to be a pastor and not a theologian you title
this little rant against God's Word 'A heuristic
consideration' which is 'theological' - The word isn't even found
in a regular dictionary
JD: so the word is poorly
chosen because it is not in
one of your "regular dictionaries?" I have a Websters and and a Cambridge dictionary and
the word appears in both. We, all of us who study the biblical
message, are putting scripture together in an effort to make the
Message work for us with the least amount of problems. "Heuristic'
has to do with that very process.
jt: Actually I found a larger dictionary with the word in it -
still it has nothing to do with understanding scripture. It is
from German heuristisch ie: helping to discover or learn, specif.
designating a method of education or of computer programming in which
the pupil or machine proceeds along empirical lines using rules of thumb
to find solutions or answers. This has nothing to do with Holy
Spirit revelation and would not be understood by ordinary
every day sheep (the ones God calls).
JD: Apparently you are upset that I did not include myself
as being a theologian.&n bsp; Thank you but, alas, I am
a lowly pastor and nothing more.
jt: Has God put you in a position to care for and be an example
to part of His flock? How can you shepherd anyone or
be an example to others of how to follow Christ when you are not
walking in the light yourself? You have legalized God's Word and
made it into something it was never meant to be while ATST embracing an
entirely opportunistic message for yourself.
JD: Honestly, I have no idea what
this last sentence means.
jt: In all of your anthropological considerations have you ever wondered why only 8 persons
were saved through the flood the first time and why Jesus brings this up
in Matt 24:38,39? God was so pleased with 99.9% of the world
population that he destroyed them all. You and Lance remind me of
the Jews who clung to the fact that they were 'Abraham's seed' and that was going to save them. You
can quote your 'incarnation' doctrine all over the place but if you do
not have fruit in your life meet for repentance - you will wind up in
the same shape as them. As for the things written aforetime (which includes all of God's
laws, statutes, and commandments); they were written for our learning,
that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have
hope. You can throw them out if you like. As for me I
believe "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul" and my
soul needs converting every day until it is completely conformed to
the image of Christ.
JD: And that is fine. I
cannot ignore the comments in Romans
2-5 nor the entire letter to the Galatians on this subject.
jt: The entire letter to the Galatians has to do with Jewish
legalism and Romans 2 is not teaching that the
unregenerate have God's Law written on their hearts JD. We have
been over this before. Everyone in the whole world is not
immediately born again because Jesus was born in a flesh body, died, and
rose from the dead historically.
My comments below constitute a substantive consideration that would best be
rebutted with equally substantive comments.
Emotionalism and judgmentalism
are not appropriate responses to argumentation. Such is the
reasoning of a lynch mob -- not a student in a discussion
forum. I will be glad to consider any biblical or philosophical
argument you may wish to share. JD
A Heuristic Consideration
The scriptures I have seen used to support the Law are scriptures
written to and for and by the Jews on that subject. The
Law is a late date administration coming hundreds if not thousands of
years after the creation event. When it was
presented to "mankind," it was given to an extremely small part
of "mankind." The Old Testament is not the story
(IMO) of the people of God verses the condemned. Rather, it is
the story of the people of God AS DEFINED BY THE MOSICAL COVENANT exclusive of
any other anthropological consideration. There is no
reason to believe that the rest of mankind is lost and hell bound
because they were not Jewish. In fact, in Romans
2 gives us a little insight int o just how things may have worked
for the 90% of humanity who were never given the Law. Paul
makes it clear (I believe) that th e purpose of the Law was best
seen in the fact that it served as a tutor until the coming of
Christ................. who, in turn, reconciled the 10% (the Jew)
with the 90% (everyone else on earth).
Perhaps I have not stated things as accurately as I might
- being a pastor and not a theologian. But the above needs
to be considered as we formulate our opinions on The Law.
JD
