DAVEH: Wow, that's a pretty bold statement,
Kevin. Is another example of a lie you are
promulgating?
It is just the plain truth and very easy to prove, who is
twisting here?
Who is lying here?
Joseph Smith also declared, "I believe the Bible as it read when it
came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators,
careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed
many errors" (Translation of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 327).
Apostle Mark E. Peterson said, "Many insertions were made, some of
them 'slanted' for selfish purposes, while at times deliberate
falsifications and fabrications were perpetrated" (As Translated
Correctly, p. 4).
Apostle Orson Pratt stated: "If it be admitted that the apostles
and evangelists did write the books of the New Testament, that does not
prove of itself that they were divinely inspired at the time they
wrote.... Add all this imperfection to the uncertainty of the
translation, and who, IN HIS RIGHT MIND could for one moment
suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide?
Who knows that even one verse of the Bible has escaped
pollution, so as to convey the same sense now that it did in
the original?" (Divine Authority of the Book of Mormon, pp. 45,
47)
LDS Apostle Orson Pratt further proclaimed, "The Bible has
been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been
lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left,
were copied and re-copied so many times, that it is admitted
that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree
that scarcely any two of them read alike" (The Seer, p.
213)
BOM, II Nephi 29:6-10 (Pg.110), "Thou fool, that shall say:
A Bible, we have got a Bible and we need no more BibleĀ
Wherefore because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it
contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused
more to be written."
Joseph Smith stated: "it was apparent that many important points
touching the salvation of men, had been taken from the Bible, or
lost before it was compiled" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph
Smith, p.10); "I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen
of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or
designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors" (Teachings of
the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 327).
When: "the book [Bible] proceeded
forth from the mouth of a Jew...it contained the fullness of the gospel
of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record" (1 Nephi 13:24),
but afterwards "thou seest the formation of that great and abominable
church...after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great
and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things
taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God. And
after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth
forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles" (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi
13:26,28). See also Doctrines of Salvation, vol.3, p.190-191.
"many
of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and
there cannot be any more Bible...Wherefore because that ye have a Bible
ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye
suppose that I have not caused more to be written" (Book of Mormon, 2
Nephi 29:3,10).
When his "revelation" about Adam being God was
disputed, Brigham Young stated: "You believe Adam was made of the dust
of this earth. This I do not believe...I have publicly declared that I do not believe that
portion of the Bible as the Christian world do.
I never did, and I never want to. What is the reason I
do not? Because I have come to understanding, and banished from
my mind all the baby stories my mother taught me when I was a
child" ( Journal of Discourses, vol.2, p.6).
Orson Pratt's lack of confidence in the Bible is obvious:
"...and who, in his right mind, could for one moment,
suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide? No one can
tell whether even one verse of either the Old or New Testament conveys
the ideas of the original author" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p.
28).
Apostle Bruce McConkie: "Ignorant translators, careless
transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many
errors, many plain and precious things were deleted, in consequence of
which error and falsehood poured into the churches. One of the great
heresies of modern Christendom is the unfounded assumption that the
Bible contains all of the inspired teachings now extant among men"
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 82,83).
McConkie continues: The Bible of the Old World has come to
us from the manuscripts of antiquity - manuscripts which passed through
the hands of uninspired men who changed many parts to suit their own
doctrinal ideas. Deletions were common, and, as it now stands, many
plain and precious portions and many covenants of the Lord have been
lost. As a consequence, those who rely upon it [the Bible] alone stumble
and are confused... (The Ensign, December 1985, p 55).
Mormon Apostle Mark E. Petersen accused manuscript copyists
of deliberately tampering with the Bible: "Many insertions were made,
some of them slanted for selfish purposes, while at times deliberate
falsifications and fabrications were perpetrated" (As Translated
Correctly, p.4).
Comparisons made by Mormon Leaders between the
Bible and Book of
Mormon
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President
Ezra Taft Benson stated: "Unlike the Bible, which passed through
generations of copyists, translators, and corrupt religionists who
tampered with the text, the Book of Mormon came from writer to reader in
just one inspired step of translation" ("The Keystone of Our Religion",
The Ensign, January 1992, page 5).
Joseph Smith claimed: "I told the brethren that the Book of
Mormon was more correct than any book on earth, and the keystone of our
religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts,
than by any other book" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.194).
An official and widely read LDS publication reads: "Men can
get nearer to the Lord, can have more of the spirit of conversion and
conformity in their hearts...can gain a better understanding of the
doctrines of salvation through the Book of Mormon than they can through
the Bible...there will be more people saved in the kingdom of God - ten
thousand times over - because of the Book of Mormon than there will be
because of the Bible" (The Ensign, November 1984, p. 7).
A letter from the First Presidency (Presidents Benson,
Hinckley, and Monson) to all members of the Church states: "The most
reliable way to measure the accuracy of any biblical passage is not by
comparing different texts, but by comparison with the Book of Mormon and
modern-day revelations". (Church News, June 20, 1992, page 3, letter
dated May 22, 1992).
LDS
have no faith in God's word.
DAVEH: Wow, that's a
pretty bold statement, Kevin. Is another example of a lie you
are promulgating?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
LDS have no faith in God's word.
The LDS god is a pipsqueak who can not preserve his
word lost it in a hill for thousands of years. Lost the faith too,
for almost 200years there was NO faith on earth, with a pipsqueak
like that, nothing is shocking.
Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>From:
Dave Hansen
>
>Charles Perry
Locke wrote:
>
>>Dave. Look at me. He has already
made that judgement, not me.
>
>DAVEH: From the tone
of you posts, it didn't seem that way.
>
>>He wrote
it in the Bible so that I can know the real Jesus and God, and
>>not go chasing after false ones.
>
>DAVEH:
As I see it, you've cut short your ability to see beyond the
Bible,
>Perry. You apparently see the The Bible as being
enough, yet I think
>presents unasked questions that many
Protestants (and TTers) seem to want
>to avoid pondering. I
just don't feel comfortable with such a limited
>perspective.
The Bible IS enough, Dave. The Bible
contains prophecy that sees through
to the end, way beyond
when it was written. So, why would anything mor e be
ne eded?
It has served its intended purpose for thousands of years without
the musings of JS, and will continue to server that purpose
until the end of
all things. It is the mormons that have
itching ears and seek the doctrines
of man (specifically JS),
to turn a phrase. Enjoy it, Dave. That's as good
as it
gets.
Perry
