Dave,
I think you are right. You are entitled to your jesus, and the onus is on
us to prove him to not be the same as our Jesus. I feel we have done that.
Repeatedly. But, you do not accept our evidence, and I suppose short of
having a vision, you never will.
You have not said our Jesus is a false jesus because, since you say you
beleive in the same Jesus we believe in, that would be like shooting
yourself in the foot.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:55:30 -0700
DAVEH: Logically, the onus is not upon me to define the Jesus I believe
in, but rather it is on the person who suggests I don't believe in Jesus.
FTR....I have not said that the Jesus Kevin, you Perry or any other TTer
believes in is a false Jesus.
Lance Muir wrote:
DaveH says "Kevin, I believe in Jesus." IFF we are going to engage in a
conversation that entails reality, then we have to continue to build upon
that which has been said previously.According to you THE JESUS TO BE
BELIEVED IN IS MOST FULLY AND ACCURATELY DESCRIBED WITHIN MORMON TEACHING.
Is this so? The Jesus believed in by Kevin, Perry, Lance et al is a false
Jesus. Is this not also so? (unwieldy but, you get my point)What, IYO, are
the eternal consequenses for non-Mormons? Mr. Moderator:Please grant
DaveH the opportunity of fully answering and, explaining.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dave Hansen <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* June 19, 2005 23:02
*Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: FTR Kevin, I believe in Jesus. Therefore can we conclude
that you've made the judgment rather than God?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
He will!
*He Has!*
*JN 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already*
*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
DAVEH: I fully understand that, Perry. But I'd feel more
comfortable
letting God make that judgment than you.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
> David,
>
> Romans 10:9,10 : That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth
the Lord
> Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath
raised him from
> the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto
> righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.
>
> But, as I have stated before, the right jesus and right god
must be
> at the center of one's faith. I am not just harassing you,
Dave, I
> honestly do believe that the mormons worship false gods.
>
> Perry
>
>> From: Dave Hansen
>> Reply-To: [email protected]
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [TruthTalk] Belief
>> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:16:42 -0700
>>
>> DAVEH: Yeah........Pretty quiet on TT tonight..
>>
>> Do you believe that those who believe in Jesus are saved,
as I've
>> heard many Christians proclaim? If belief is inadequate,
what else
>> is needed, Perry?
>>
>> Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>>
>>> Dave, this is great. Midnight, just me and you on TT,
mano y mano,
>>> so to speak :-)
>>>
>>> I guess I am biased in that way, because both you and
Blaine admit
>>> to following the christ and jesus of mormonism, so it is
my opinion
>>> that you are lost since I believe that they are false
gods. If I
>>> thought that you guys were saved in spite of the
teachings of the
>>> mormon church I would not be spending so much time
exposing the
>>> false nature of the mormon church to you.
>>>
>>> But, the bottom line is that God makes that ultimate
decision, not I.
>>>
>>> Perry
>>>
>>
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